What option awaits us in Ukraine?

In the autumn of 1963, the Kennedy administration was made aware of a plot against the president of South Vietnam, Ngo Dinh Diem. There had been growing unhappiness within the elite of South Vietnam over his handling of the Buddhist crisis and the Viet Cong insurgency. Earlier in the year a plot had been hatched by junior officers, but it had been suppressed. This new plot had the support of the generals.

Unhappy with Diem’s leadership, the Kennedy administration, upon learning of the pending coup, sent a cable to the American ambassador in Vietnam, Henry Cabot Lodge, instructing him to inform Diem of their unhappiness with him and to let the generals know that they would not intervene in a coup attempt. This, in effect, gave Washington’s stamp of approval to the plot. Continuation... https://www.subscribestar.com/posts/814382

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hartfire

The two situations are not the same.

1. Russia has not been communist for a long time. It's run by a capitalist dictator. SO this is not a war about Communism versus Capitalism.

2. North Vietnam had China's direct backing and material support. Russia has only China's tacit permission, with strings attached.

3. South Vietnam never invited the USA to come to its rescue.

4. The Ukrainians have asked for help with equipment, training, and assistance to those made homeless, but they have no asked other nations to send their soldiers to fight.

5. Ukraine has a home ground advantage. The people are highly motivated to resist to save their own homeland. The Russian soldiers are mostly conscripted, mercenary, or very young, and all have been lied to about what to expect. They get a terrible shock when they get there and discover the reality.

6. Ukraine has one enormous geographic advantage. In spring it's vast farmlands turn into a muddy quagmire about one metre deep. No enemy has yet been able to win against that.

BlogZ · M

@hartfire maybe I'll tell you a secret. Ukraine, except for its western territories, is Russian lands. We are one nation, we all have relatives there, colleagues, and so on. Just for 8 years, propaganda has greatly influenced the younger generation! And most of Ukraine, everyone supports Russia.

hartfire

@BlogZ
It's no secret.
These things have been discussed openly by experts all over the world and on Current affairs programs.
Ukraine was free and independent until the 17th century when it was divided in half by Poland and the Russian Empire.
In 1917 the Bolsheviks tok over and included Ukraine within the Communist USSR.
In in 1991 as the Soviet Union dissolved, Ukraine recovered its original independence, declared itself neutral, and established a constitution.
Ukrainian is the national language. Most speak Russian as a secondary language, especially in the far east and south-east.
It's true that near the eastern borders
Ukrainians regard themselves a sovereign nation with all right to autonomy and self rule.
Few were content under the USSR.

Tell me, if your country had been free since its earliest days in prehistory,
became swallowed up, ruled and exploited by another country 300 years ago, and regained its sovereignty 30 years ago - would you want to keep your independence and freedom?

BlogZ · M

@hartfire yeah, only I saw the archives of the census for 1917. And there were no Ukrainians there. So take it easy

hartfire

@BlogZ
Those archives were compiled by the Bolsheviks.
Do you really think they were honest?
How could Ukraine have [i]no[/i] Ukrainians?

BlogZ · M

@hartfire what painkillers? Go learn history. It was tsarist Russia

hartfire

@BlogZ
The Bolsheviks toppled Tsarist Russia in 1917.
I consulted the history texts before I wrote my answer.
However the same logic would apply if the census was run before the Communists took over.
How could Ukraine have no Ukrainians?

BlogZ · M

@hartfire these archives of tsarist Russia. Such documents cannot be forged! they can only be destroyed. Do not write nonsense

hartfire

@BlogZ
Okay, so those are the archives.
How can the Ukraine have no Ukrainians in it?
Where would they have disappeared to?
Did the language and religion just disappear and then suddenly re-emerge 300 years later?
Do you see what I'm getting at?

Have you followed the Chinese invasion of Tibet?
It's a similar situation.

BlogZ · M

@hartfire Ukraine, except for the western regions, is Russian lands, Russians live there! Wars are being waged, either for their territories or for disputed ones!

hartfire

@BlogZ It's true that some Russians live there. Russians, as in those who speak Russian, worship in the Russian Orthodox Church and identify themselves as such, comprise about 15% of the population in the East and South-East. Scattered across the rest of Ukriane, less than 2% consider themselves Russians.

Most of those Russians enjoy living in the Ukraine because it is a democratic country. Even if they were of Russian migrant origin, they now consider themselves as citizens of the Ukraine. Many have joined the Ukrainian army and fight just as hard as the Ukrainian speakers.
Throughout the last 14-20 years, a tiny minority of Russian-Ukrainians have been agitating for re-unification, and intelligence has found that this agitation has been paid for by the Russian govt.

If Ukraine wishes to remain independent, then it has the right to do so.
They are extremely clear that they do not wish to live under Russian rule.
They want it so much that they are willing to sacrifice their lives for it.

Why do you ignore my questions?

BlogZ · M

@hartfire What are you talking about? I know better what the Ukrainians want. Because I myself lived in Ukraine, my father is Greek, and my mother is Russian. Ukraine is the same if your state, such as California! Ukraine illegally withdrew from the USSR!