If not for the atomic bomb, would the US have defeated Japan?

I'm often amazed that some users on SW talk about things with such authority and yet know fuck all about the subject.

I've gone in and done an edit, as I went back and read your [i]whole[/i] monologue (my fault) on this question. In reading this at first, I'd replied about the question regarding Japan and had stopped there. To that, my answer is still "yes," we would have defeated them, but at a much higher human American and Allied cost.

Then, I read what I initially wrote, and did what I should have done at the onset......that being to have read your whole thread. That was totally my mistake, so apologizies on that end. BUT, on to the rest of a reply.......

Having read your premise, I have to shake my head. You never mentioned the politics of it all, the boundaries set that we often go to war under, and America's war fighting capabilities, that are so often, knee-capped by said politics and politicians.

You didn't mention whether or not you were a veteran, I didn't see that. If you are or had been then I think you'd have come with a different perspective. I am one....twice over, and I'm very confident with our ability unlike yourself.
As well, you never mentioned symmetrical vs. assymetrical warfare, their differences and response applications, and that in finality, we are still a nation of laws, in which we [i]do[/i] abide by the Geneva Convention. To understand that last sentence, you need only look at Russia and it's invasion of Ukraine, and it's barbaric, indiscriminate shelling of civilian population centers to sow fear, before unleashing the Wagner Group who go in and mop up, raping and summarily executing said civilians before dumping them in mass graves. Russia IS everything we are not.

That, my friend, is a salient difference in our warfare. And, to be clear, we have made our own mistakes, but we have generally fought our conflicts with one hand behind our back, based either on the fact as I stated above, that we are a nation of laws, or that, we get that other hand inexorably tied behind us by our politicians, who have no business mudding the water once we have unleashed our dogs of war.

War fighting is a trust. The trust that our military leaders will endeavor forever to do the right thing. It is why we have Annapolis and West Point. It is where we inculcate these boots with a battery of subject matter that puts them in the best place to take charge and command the battlefield when they graduate. They are motivated, and they......are.....magnificent.

In conclusion, I don't share your hand ringing. Neither do millions of other Vets of our joint military services because we lived it and understand it's capabilities, and the frequent hamstringing of our combined arms by clueless politicians.🤬

At any road, you did ask.....

If not for the atomic bomb, would the US have defeated Japan?

In an Answer Yes..even if we had to go it alone
Back then though..we were Allied with other nations
And it was Not us alone that won the war

Having won it ..Proved our Statas as a Super power

If we hadnt used the bomb
We still would of won
Though taking quite a bit longer
And at far greater loss of lives ( on both sides )

(US should think about this before trying to fight against China or Russia.
What)
...are You Fullish enough to think we Can't defeat china and or russia ???

You know..both russia and now china steal our military secrets
More importantly
Both china and russia obtain and use hardware from us
( simular to how we Obtained Titanium from rusia in building the various types of SR-70 planes ..and other derivatives of it )


(Firstly, I find it ironic how the US media is talking about all the young men who left Russia to avoid mobilization when in fact half of Americans say they would either leave...
And what is Your Point
Seems to me..you know little to noth8ng on the subject

If..china and or russia were to invade usa
They would lose..even if they both 8nvaded us
3ven if we had to go it alone

Yet...we have allies
Who like us..will not allow such an invasions

The answer is yes, but not so quickly and with more American, possibly even more Japanese, deaths.

Yes the US would have defeated Japan.. Although the soviet union would have probably taken the northern main island of Hokkaido and world war 2 would have lasted another year.. Probably 2 to 3 million more combatants would have perished..

someone deserting an unjust war is a hero... every russian that escapes the draft should be honored

Yrah, all murican men are lameass pussies. It's true.

I am a veteran so here’s my take. China will not invade the U. S., nor will Russia.
No one ever succeeded in Afghanistan.
We decided to end our involvement in Viet Nam, and our troops were taken out. The South Vietnamese lost.
With respect to to your last comment, I pretty much agree. Lost our way? Mo fucking shit!
Very likely and hopefully it never comes to that, a military conflict with China might well end in Nuclear confrontation.

Russia would have invaded Japan along with British and American forces

Russia and The British Empire couldnt defeat Afghanistan

Eventually. It would have been bloody.

The US didn't beat Japan. The US was part of a combination of allies including China, Australia, Russia, New Zealand, India and Great Britain.

Japan's defeat was going to happen either way. That's not really a legit question. It just spared more American lives as opposed to invading mainland Japan and helped secure Japan for the US before the Russians/USSR could invade it

They still would of defeated Japan. But they japanese would of defended the main island to the death. Another 100ppp American casualties and probably alot more japanese

Russia can't even beat ukraine and the united States is far superior. Yes we would win against Russia and Japan