Most of the Founding Fathers wouldn’t be considered Christian by most American Christians

@bijouxbroussard yeah many were. Paine was a staunch abolitionist. .

@JonLosAngeles66 But to many on the right, that would be their least objectionable aspect, ironically.

@bijouxbroussard unfortunately, that’s right.

@DearAmbellina2113 More likely they were like the "Christians" of today -- a group of diverse people with a wide variety of personal beliefs in various aspects of religion. To think of them as any kind of monolithic group is surely a mistake.

@FreestyleArt I don’t think you guys know who Thomas Paine is. Look him up. He should have been covered in school.

@JonLosAngeles66 You are asking too much of some people on this site.

@sunsporter1649 Truthfully EVERY American should be required to read The Communist Manifesto, from cover to cover. It is a fast read, very simple to follow and it lays out the precise Democrat Party agenda to a Tee.

@Dino11 @Dino11 Thomas Jefferson was the first Democrat president. Most of the southern slave states were heavily Democrat. They are the ones who started the Civil War when REPUBLICAN Abraham Lincoln was elected president.
Oh, and there is no such thing as an official "separation of church and state" in our founding documents. The concept of the First Amendment (besides free speech) is to prevent the establishment of a state religion. (Kinda like Muslim countries have.) You can't really separate church and state. There is such a thing as a Capitol Hill Chaplain, paid for by taxpayer dollars.

@Riverman2 Yes, but still rather ironic that several of the people who penned this had slaves themselves, right ? With such a document, slavery should never have existed here. And it had to be amended to change that.

@bijouxbroussard Ironic, yes, but given the times not unexpected. Human beings are VERY good at rationalizing actions that seem irrational in retrospect.

@bijouxbroussard You are correct in that irony. The IDEALS they penned were wonderful. The people who penned them were obviously imperfect and hippocritical in that regard. I guess that's why it took another 90 years of tragic slavery and an immensely bloody civil war to finally accomplish what they started. I believe it's still true though that those ideals changed the world then are worth standing for now. It seems ridiculous to throw away all that progress and go back to the way things were before. Without unalienable rights, we again would be subject to rulers deciding what rights we do and do not have, just as it was pre-Declaration.

@BlueSkyKing yep

@Reason10
Holy shit! North Carolina. When didi Senators Senators Burr (Republican Party), and Tillis flip from the GOP to the Democrat party? Did the 8 GOP House members, out of 13, switch to the Democrat party as well?

Those darn leftists, they turned UNC into a shit hole. Oh, wait, t's one of the top schools in the world.


It's really funny how disillusioned people like you are.

@Northwest @Northwest This was North Carolina in the Sixties, YOU MORON. I'm not a child. At the time, the Senator I remember was Jesse Helms, a conservative who was also a staunch supporter of the tobacco lobby. Tobacco is a large cash crop in North Carolina. I grew up in a small town with tobacco barns all over the place. In a way, that was a positive because I was so disgusted that I never took up the smoking habit.

Of course, those where the days when Democrat racists weren't nearly as secretive. Lester Maddox (governor of Georgia) and George Wallace, were both overt segregationists. Ernest Hollings Jr was the one who originally hoisted a Confederate flag over the state house in South Carolina. Albert Gore Sr and William Fulbright (mentor to bill KKKlinton) voted AGAINST the Civil Rights Act.

@Reason10
Let's do a reality check:

The US Senate:

Richard Mauze Burr: US Senator, GOP, representing North Carolina since 2005
Thomas Roland Tillis: US Senator, GOP, representing North Carolina sine 2015

And the US House North Carolina Congressional Delegation:

Democrats:

Adams, Alma, District: 12
Butterfield, G. K. , District: 1
Manning, Kathy, Disttict: 6
Price, David, District: 4
Ross, Deborah, District: 2

GOP:

Bishop, Dan, District: 9
Budd, Ted, District: 13
Cawthorn, Madison, District: 11
Foxx, Virginia, District: 5
Hudson, Richard, District: 8
McHenry, Patrick, District: 10
Murphy, Gregory, District: 3
Rouzer, David, District: 7

So, upon close examination, and checking for the current date, it turns out YOU ARE A MORON.


Switch to 2022, YOU MORON. Some amazing stuff happened since they did away with morse-code based communications.

@jshm2 That is partially true. Jesus instruct Peter to build his church on this rock.
Interestingly enough, the Catholic Church wasn't called that, when it was a monopoly before the protestant movement. It was just called The Church.
And you're right about Moses and the Abrahamic faiths.

@Reason10 to me a Christian isn't someone who just believes in Christ or belongs to the Christian church.
A Christian is someone who actually follows the teachings of Christ and lives by them.
I think Jesus himself would back me up on this one.

@robingoodfellow That's pretty much it.

@MarmeeMarch Not as a rule. There are all kinds of religions folk who call themselves Christian. Of course the average left wing Woke goose stepper is indeed Judgmental and hypocritical. That just goes without saying.