RedBaron · M
It has always been my stance that Lincoln was no abolitionist
It was a documented fact long before you were even born, never mind when it became your “stance.”
It wasn’t your original idea. You should acknowledge and cite your sources.
degraded · 22-25, F
@JSul3 If nearly destroying your nation to end slavery does not make you anti-slavery, what does?
Lincoln’s assassin, John Wilkes Booth, called him a tyrant before pulling the trigger. Booth’s sympathies were with the South. Upon shooting Lincoln, he shouted “Sic semper tyrannis!” and “the South is avenged!”
Lincoln’s assassin, John Wilkes Booth, called him a tyrant before pulling the trigger. Booth’s sympathies were with the South. Upon shooting Lincoln, he shouted “Sic semper tyrannis!” and “the South is avenged!”
bijouxbroussard · F
When people say "these were different times" I’m never sure if they’re trying to dismiss the egregiousness of what was done or said. If so, it could be used to dismiss how people were treated during other atrocities like the Holocaust, yet it never is.
I’ve really never seen Lincoln as particularly a hero to my "kind", even though the teachers of my childhood said as much.
He even said that if he could keep the country united without ending slavery, he’d do that.
Besides, even if Lincoln did personally think slavery was wrong, but that black people were inferior to whites, that’s hardly an outdated attitude.
I’d venture to say there are plenty of folks, even in the White House, who believe that today. 😔
I’ve really never seen Lincoln as particularly a hero to my "kind", even though the teachers of my childhood said as much.
He even said that if he could keep the country united without ending slavery, he’d do that.
Besides, even if Lincoln did personally think slavery was wrong, but that black people were inferior to whites, that’s hardly an outdated attitude.
I’d venture to say there are plenty of folks, even in the White House, who believe that today. 😔
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JSul3 · 70-79
@bijouxbroussard No argument from me.
DarthInvader · 36-40, M
@JSul3 I apologize if I seemed a bit agitated.
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
It is well-known that Lincoln was anti-slavery but at the same time did not consider Blacks to be the equal of Whites. In his mind they were two different questions. Should human beings be enslaved? No. Are all races equal? No. It was probably not an unusual attitude for his time; I'd think many Whites back then felt slavery should be abolished, but at the same time did not feel Blacks were their intellectual/social equals.
RedBaron · M
@ChipmunkErnie OK. How would you explain the difference between the denial of the humanity of a race of people and believing that races are not equal?
I’ll wait.
I’ll wait.
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
@RedBaron Keep waiting since you obviously didn't understand what I've said repeatedly: one POV was that slavery should not exist; even if Black were "inferior" they were still human beings who deserved their freedom. The other POV was slavery should exist and Black were more than just inferior, they were not even judged as human and slavery was not only natural but Bible-approved. Is that clear yet???
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dancingtongue · 80-89, M
Lincoln was a masterful, pragmatic politician. Politician in the sense of politics being the art of making the possible happen vs. the ideological dog whistling hypocrites that turn everybody off these days. Read Doris Kearns Goodwin's Team Of Rivals to appreciate his ability to build consensus and lead.
degraded · 22-25, F
What contradictions? Pragmatism does not make him a liar. Ideologues like you would not understand.
US was torn apart by emancipation. Southerners relied on slavery. Hundreds of thousands of men died in battle. Lincoln has earned title of abolitionist.
US was torn apart by emancipation. Southerners relied on slavery. Hundreds of thousands of men died in battle. Lincoln has earned title of abolitionist.
kittee · 22-25
it was a different time,
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degraded · 22-25, F
@Diotrephes This is not true.
JSul3 · 70-79
@Diotrephes Not quite.
Lincoln would not have deported all enslaved people, but he did advocate for a voluntary "colonization" of freed slaves to countries like Liberia or Central America. This was a widely supported idea at the time, but Lincoln viewed it as a voluntary process, believing the newly freed people should have the choice to leave the U.S. to find political rights that he feared might not be guaranteed at home. He also believed that colonization could help America transition away from its biracial future without fully confronting the implications of racial integration.
Lincoln would not have deported all enslaved people, but he did advocate for a voluntary "colonization" of freed slaves to countries like Liberia or Central America. This was a widely supported idea at the time, but Lincoln viewed it as a voluntary process, believing the newly freed people should have the choice to leave the U.S. to find political rights that he feared might not be guaranteed at home. He also believed that colonization could help America transition away from its biracial future without fully confronting the implications of racial integration.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@JSul3 John Wilkes Booth should be a hero to all Black Americans because, without him, there wouldn't be any.