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The Contradictions of Abraham Lincoln.

The Contradictions of Abraham Lincoln.
The following show us almost two different Lincolns. It has always been my stance that Lincoln was no abolitionist. He had no issue with slavery. His aim was to save the Union at any cost. If that meant ending slavery, then so be it.
After all, he did sign the Emancipation Proclamation. Perhaps "Honest Abe" had a 'come to Jesus' moment.

Perhaps it simply shows how one can evolve....or does a cynic say, it shows how a politician changes his stance on a whim?

Here we go:

August 24, 1855: Letter to Joshua F. Speed.

(The American or "Know Nothing Party" was an anti-immigrant political party of the 1850's.)

"I am not a Know-Nothing. That is certain. How could I be? How can any one who abhors the oppression of negroes, be in favor of degrading classes of white people? Our progress in degeneracy appears to me to be pretty rapid. As a nation, we begin by declaring that "all men are created equal." We now practically read it "all men are created equal, except negroes." When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read "all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and catholics." When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretence of loving liberty-to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocracy." [sic].


But then, three years later:

In 1858, Lincoln challenged U.S. Senator and leading Democrat Stephen A. Douglas for his seat. The two candidates engaged in a series of seven debates across Illinois. In the sixth debate, held in Quincy on October 13, 1858, Lincoln responded to Douglas’s assertion that Lincoln saw no “distinction between races.” Printed in the Chicago Daily Press and Tribune on October 15, 1858, Lincoln replied:

"I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races—that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermingling with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which will ever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together, there must be the position of superior. I am as much as any other man in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."

Source: The Abraham Lincoln Presidential Library and Museum

So the ball in now in your court. I look forward to reading your comments.
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ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
It is well-known that Lincoln was anti-slavery but at the same time did not consider Blacks to be the equal of Whites. In his mind they were two different questions. Should human beings be enslaved? No. Are all races equal? No. It was probably not an unusual attitude for his time; I'd think many Whites back then felt slavery should be abolished, but at the same time did not feel Blacks were their intellectual/social equals.
RedBaron · M
@ChipmunkErnie
It was probably not an unusual attitude for his time.

Why did you equivocate by saying “probably?” It absolutely was not an unusual attitude at that time.
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
@RedBaron Because I wasn't there and haven't researched it in any depth.
RedBaron · M
@ChipmunkErnie It doesn’t take any research. It’s all over the history of the time, and it was one of the reasons for secession of the Confederate states.
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
@RedBaron I don't see the connection between what I said and the secession of the Confederate States, but whatever.
RedBaron · M
@ChipmunkErnie It was only the social underpinning of Black slavery. The connection seems obvious to me.
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
@RedBaron The concept that Blacks should not be enslaved, even if they were not equals to Whites, was NOT the social underpinning of slavery, it was the underpinning of abolition. The denial of Black humanity was the underpinning of slavery.
RedBaron · M
@ChipmunkErnie
Are all races equal? No.

Same difference. You’re just quibbling over semantics,
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
@RedBaron If you can't see the difference there is no use talking to you.
RedBaron · M
@ChipmunkErnie OK. How would you explain the difference between the denial of the humanity of a race of people and believing that races are not equal?

I’ll wait.
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
@RedBaron Keep waiting since you obviously didn't understand what I've said repeatedly: one POV was that slavery should not exist; even if Black were "inferior" they were still human beings who deserved their freedom. The other POV was slavery should exist and Black were more than just inferior, they were not even judged as human and slavery was not only natural but Bible-approved. Is that clear yet???
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