I think the general consensus is that if the vaccine is so bad at its primary function, preventing the spread of Covid 19, what other problems or concerns are there undiscovered or covered up?
@SumKindaMunster Face it dude, you are a spreader of DANGEROUS misinformation.
Because the general consensus among immunologists, virologists and immunologists is the vaccine was highly effective against the alpha, beta, and delta waves.
As far as the spread of Covid is concerned, if only 60% of republicans are getting vaccinated, it's hard to blame the vaccine for a pandemic of the unvaccinated.
According to the polls, Trump supporters were much less likely to take the vaccine than Biden supporters. Does this difference show up in county infection & death rates? Indeed it does!
@SumKindaMunster Agreed. I blocked this dope a long time ago. He’s good at regurgitating MSM and woke bs. But beyond that? Another cellar dweller best blocked and forgotten.
You mean coming from the same guy who OK’d AZT for AIDS patients even though they knew the treatment was deadly and helped decrease T cell counts dramtically, accelerating a patients death? I am shocked!* (* denotes sarcasm)
far as i was made aware here in the united kingdom we where made aware the any vaccination for corona virus was not one hundred percent guaranteed you would not get the effects. both me and my mother have had corona virus recently and i am glad both of us were up to date with my vaccinations particular for my mother as she is eighty . if she had been foolish or ignorant and listened to people like you bad as she had it what would of happened . would she ended up in hospital or even worse a wooden casket[jackjjackson]
I hope it lessens the chance of getting and of the effects if one does get it. However it’s not scientifically a vaccine and hasn’t delivered as promised by Fauci et al. @smiler2012
It's no more dangerous than any other vaccine. And although imperfect, it's been highly effective.
Covid Vaccine effectiveness data from the US 2021
Executive Summary: In 2021, the 75% of Americans fully vaccinated produced under 20% of the Covid deaths, while the 25% unvaccinated Americans produced over 80% of the Covid deaths.
In 2021, the 75% of Americans fully vaccinated produced under 31% of Covid cases; while the 25% unvaccinated Americans produced nearly 70% of Covid cases.
This means the US unvaccinated had a 5X higher chance of contracting Covid compared to the vaccinated per capita, and that overall the unvaccinated had about a 15X higher probability of Covid death per capita.
Note: since 'Long Covid' occurs in 15% to 25% of Covid cases, that means there is also a 5X higher prevalence of Long Covid per capita among the unvaccinated.
Details Source https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e2.htm is a CDC analysis of 25 geographically dispersed US jurisdictions. It presents statistics on Covid incidence and death rates broken up by "wave" (dates) and age, separately for vaccinated and unvaccinated. Most of the key data is in TABLE 1.
Discussion Note that the period is Apr-Dec 2021; why? In the first quarter of 2021 we were busily vaccinating the 65+ cohort; the most vulnerable. There was an excess of unvaccinated deaths in that period and not enough vaccinated people to make a fair comparison. Including that timeperiod would skew the data to make vaccines look even better than they are.
Note that the total deaths add up to 117,207, while the total 2021 US Covid death toll was about 550,000. That is because this data is for 25 representative jurisdictions, not the whole nation. This data represents over a quarter of US deaths, so percentages from it are statistically representative of the overall US Covid situation.
Vaccine effectiveness (VE) declined from the pre-delta to the delta to the omicron waves, but vaccines still provided significant protection.
The age-standardized IRR for cases in unvaccinated versus fully vaccinated persons was 13.9 during April–May and progressively declined to 8.7 during June, 5.1 during July–November, and 3.1 during December, coinciding with the periods of Delta emergence, Delta predominance, and Omicron emergence, respectively. This decline suggests a change in crude VE for infection from 93% during April–May, to 89% during June, 80% during July–November, and to 68% during December. Age-standardized IRRs for deaths among unvaccinated versus fully vaccinated persons were relatively stable; crude VE for deaths was 95% during April–May, 94% during June, and 94% during July–November.
Booster doses were highly effective.
During October–November, age-standardized IRRs for deaths among unvaccinated persons were 53.2 compared with those in fully vaccinated persons with a booster dose and 12.7 compared with persons without a booster dose; these results represented crude VE against death of 98% and 92%, respectively.
Incidence rate ratios
IRRs were calculated by dividing incidence among unvaccinated persons by incidence among fully vaccinated persons (overall and by receipt of booster doses); after detrending the underlying linear changes in incidence
@gol979 From https://similarworlds.com/public-figures/joe-biden/4418466-Poll-how-many-regret-taking-the-vaccine?sort=1
It would be interesting to know the source of your false claims. I'm guessing there are a few main sources of misleading and misinformation that you and others tap into. Anyway, just to review, so it doesn't scroll away,
@gol979 says
Just look at the excess deaths.... at the height of this psy op (2020) deaths were in the normal range.
Far from it, dude. In the UK in 2020, both Covid deaths and non-Covid deaths were soaring
Why were there so many non-Covid excess deaths? Crowded hospitals and people avoiding treatment for fear of Covid. In the UK in 2020, weekly excess deaths DOUBLED during the initial Covid wave. They DOUBLED during that wave dude!! No way to hide that sad fact.
@gol979 says
hospitals were practically empty
BULLLSHIIIITTT!!! Dude, each time you post another false statistic, you lose more credibility. Do you really want to become the next dippyjoe?
3000 hospital admissions per day, week after week. That's the definition of an overcrowded hospital.
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@jackjjackson Ridicule from the ignorant & misled is high praise, thank you!!
@akindheart I tend to show up just to correct misinformation. My theory, as stated at the top was that it's better to face Covid while vaccinated rather than unprotected. Nothing you've said refutes that.
Are the Covid death numbers the result of mis-classification of other causes of death?
Here in the table are US death numbers for the top ten causes of death for six years ending in 2020. Notice how there are 20% more deaths in 2020 than the average of the previous five years? Doing the math, that's 500,000 excess deaths in 2020.
Notice how, in 2020, 345,000 of those 500,000 excess deaths are classified as Covid? Notice how almost all causes of death rose in 2020, including cancer & heart disease?
If there's any validity to the claim that lots of deaths have been mis-classified as Covid, why did almost all causes of death increase in 2020? Wouldn't mis-classification produce a reduction in those other causes? The evidence says mis-classification is a red herring.
Your job is to summarize what you believe those pictures mean.
I did summarize what the data in the table means. Want me to cut & paste my summary again? Sure thing, boss!!
Are the Covid death numbers the result of mis-classification of other causes of death?
There in the table are US death numbers for the top ten causes of death for six years ending in 2020. Notice how there are 20% more deaths in 2020 than the average of the previous five years? Doing the math, that's 500,000 excess deaths in 2020.
Notice how, in 2020, 345,000 of those 500,000 excess deaths are classified as Covid? Notice how almost all causes of death rose in 2020, including cancer & heart disease?
If there's any validity to the claim that lots of deaths have been mis-classified as Covid, why did almost all causes of death increase in 2020? Wouldn't mis-classification produce a reduction in those other causes? The evidence says mis-classification is a red herring.
Imagine being so stupid that you think the vaccine will stop you getting the virus. Lol The vaccine makes it much less likely that the virus will kill you,or even hospitalise you.
According to the polls, Trump supporters were much less likely to take the vaccine than Biden supporters. Does this difference show up in county case & death rates? Indeed it does!
3000 hospital admissions per day, week after week. That's the definition of an overcrowded hospital.
