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How responsible--or complicit--is the media in publicizing violent acts which are invariably imitated?

Poll - Total Votes: 25
The media should be tried along with the murderers
They do more harm than good
It's important to expose evil at any cost
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No wrong answers. What effect do you think having something like the Uvalde tragedy on the news and websites 24/7 has on fragile human psyches, some of whom are craving notoriety? You and I are probably repulsed by the footage of people running in terror from a lunatic, but I believe that video is appealing to far too many sick sociopathic individuals; they don't care HOW they get attention as long as they DO.

I think the media gets a pass on this, and I think it's wrong. No one seems to even THINK about it.

Don't forget that the media is NOT a public service; it is BIG BUSINESS, paid for by ad dollars from Big Pharma and corporations and car manufacturers.

Those of you who know me? Yes, I am indicting the very industry I work in. There are terrific people in TV, as well as cretins I wouldn't give you a nickel for.

Again, no wrong answers, tell me your opinions, please, without ad hominem attacks, those are subject to deletion.
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But what's the alternative then? They'll just be accused of covering it up and being part of a conspiracy which could create its own problems.

I do think a shooting could be covered without posting pictures of the shooter or his name. Some sources make an effort to do that.

The problem is, with the internet and social media, even if professional media sources don't report it, it will be in the public sphere regardless. It can't be "hidden" like it maybe could have been in decades past.
uncalled4 · 56-60, M
@SW-User The alternative is not to blast it all day, every day. Enough. It's sad, but that cannot change the outcome. And I agree...not naming names is a good start, but within 3 minutes we know what the guy's favorite color is.
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@SW-User that is exactly what the alternative is ... if you don't report anything, then you will be accused of a coverup, perhaps rightly so (see Fox not covering the 6 January hearing or reporting on Tucker Carlson's legal woes for what a coverup looks like)
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blast it all day, every day

I don't know how you consume news, but I don't encounter this problem, and I never read any headline that I don't want to read (ie, no one forces me to click a link and read a story)

Is it just inconvenient to sometimes know that bad things are happening in the world? Do people who label reporting as endless blasting just simply want to bury their heads in the sand and wish all the bad things away and carry on with their own life as if nothing bad is happening? Is that what this reaction really is? Feel free to substitute climate change or plastic pollution for mass shootings in this scenario of new details being inconveniently reported on a regular basis and everyday people not doing anything to address the actual problem (which is not the reporting).

@uncalled4
JustNik · 51-55, F
I don’t hold the media responsible. We as individuals move through this world and what it throws at us all day every day and how we react to that is on us. If you are that unhinged, the internet has a buffet of radicals happy to goad you to action. I agree the media should not give the perpetrators too much personal attention, but if we don’t understand just how bad this has gotten, we can’t care, and if we don’t care, we won’t engage in the long uphill battle of trying to make change. Even those who like to blame these things on mental health rather than guns don’t prioritize mental health or the root causes of its decline and at the same time think the solution is to create a war zone world where everyone just has to keep one-upping the guy who has them outgunned. I feel like news coverage here is a smaller contributor to the problem. 🤷‍♀️
@JustNik best
OldBrit · 61-69, M
@JustNik truth
Dainbramadge · 56-60, M
Oh wow!!! I am almost at a loss for words. Almost.
First, this was well written to be concise and your comments were as advertised, not judgmental.

Some people have their heads deep in the sand and even when you tap them on the rump, they refuse to remove their head from the sand.
Copycat culture is nothing new. You can read all kinds of articles about the phenomenon.
Hell if you want to see it in full swing just check out TikTok. Everyone is covering the same topics verbatim. Very limited supply of originality. Be it, it's not mass shootings but a good example of the culture.
People will blame availability of firearms. People will even blame video games and TV but they will refuse to blame the media. How can a person do both of those without exploding into glittery confetti???
A video game of cartoon people doing violence can make someone do violence but the real deal on the news can't????
Since the topic of mass shootings became big again recently I have been standing on my soap box spreading the good word of copycat culture and it appears to be falling on deaf ears.
People don't want to fix anything they just want everyone to use their idea.
spjennifer · 61-69, T
Unfortunately, these mass murders are news and should be reported but not to the extent where we end up knowing the underwear size of the killer. Sadly with 24/7 news now, they have to fill their time slots and sell advertising so they go to extremes to gather useless information. I for one wouldn't mind seeing the demise of 24/7 news stations and we go back to getting the nightly news at 6 and 11. I don't need to know how many rounds of ammo the sicko had, nor where he purchased the gun(s) or how, this as you say is part of the problem in that it has almost become murder porn entertainment which brings with it a desensitization of how heinous these crimes are and encourages those who are intent on doing the same.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@spjennifer I agree. However when such incidents happen I think the focus should be on how the cops violated the suspects' constitutional rights.

Since cops are agents of the State they are responsible for observing and respecting the suspects' constitutional rights. Now it's a fact that some suspects are rotten people but the constitution still protects their rights and cops should be whacked upside their heads when they willfully violate those rights.

For instance, the Minnesota constitution says:

"Text of Section 5:
No Excessive Bail or Unusual Punishment
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel or unusual punishments inflicted."
https://ballotpedia.org/Article_I,_Minnesota_Constitution

I consider it cruel punishment for cops to sit on a person so that he can't breathe and their actions result in the person's death.

In the case of Floyd, his right to due process was willfully violated. He was willfully killed before he had the opportunity to defend himself in a court of law before a jury of his peers.

"Text of Section 7:
Due Process; Prosecutions; Double Jeopardy; Self-Incrimination; Bail; Habeas Corpus
No person shall be held to answer for a criminal offense without due process of law, and no person shall be put twice in jeopardy of punishment for the same offense, nor be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law. All persons before conviction shall be bailable by sufficient sureties, except for capital offenses when the proof is evident or the presumption great. The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended unless the public safety requires it in case of rebellion or invasion."

Cops are always violation this constitutional right:

Text of Section 10:
Unreasonable Searches and Seizures Prohibited

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated; and no warrant shall issue but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched and the person or things to be seized."

It's unclear if the search of Floyd was reasonable but cops in places like NYC engaged in unreasonable searches all the time in violation of the New York constitution =
"Text of Section 12:
Security Against Unreasonable Searches, Seizures and Interceptions

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

The right of the people to be secure against unreasonable interception of telephone and telegraph communications shall not be violated, and ex parte orders or warrants shall issue only upon oath or affirmation that there is reasonable ground to believe that evidence of crime may be thus obtained, and identifying the particular means of communication, and particularly describing the person or persons whose communications are to be intercepted and the purpose thereof."
https://ballotpedia.org/Article_I,_New_York_Constitution

If you want to have some fun, count the constitutional rights tv cops routinely violate.
spjennifer · 61-69, T
@Diotrephes While you seem to have a real bone to pick with the Police, i don't, I see them as a necessary evil and haven't seen that many big issues with my local Law Enforcement that seem for the most part to be respectful of citizen's rights. While it's easy to decry the bad ones, I'd be loathe to paint them all with the same brush...
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@spjennifer Cops as a whole have moved away from the good ones depicted in old tv series like Dragnet, Adam-12, [b]and CHiPs.[/b]
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The media are sell out vultures anyway. After all they are the ones promoting hate, fear and division. Look at the damage the media have done in the last two years.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@AwakeningConfession221122 You know who owns and manages the media don't you?
@Diotrephes Black Rock and Vanguard
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@Diotrephes @AwakeningConfession221122 Here's a very long list published on a Jewish website =

Jews In The American Media https://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/jews-in-the-media-hollywood/
Changeisgonnacome · 61-69, F
There have been crimes that appeared in fiction first, then in reality. Obviously TV working.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@Changeisgonnacome The problem as I see it is that we don't have a good mental health system in place. You know what I mean? I mean, I grew up watching horror movies, probably way too young to be doing so. And I play them violent video games. Just last night I was playing Cyberpunk 2077, which is set in a dystopian future apparently run by the Republican party. And I watch the news. Every one of these mass shootings, I've been keeping abreast of.

You know what I've never once had the urge to do? Go down to a gun show and find a loophole to get myself an AR-15 and start taking the lives of innocent children. That's because I have the ability to differentiate reality from entertainment.

I'm not trying to be insulting to the type of people who can't differentiate. What I'm saying is we need to help people like that. Did you know that before the invention of TV and movies, people blamed violent books for people committing violent crimes? Can you imagine? They wanted to ban books because some people went out and did what the books said. That's exactly the type of short-sighted mentality the people have who are calling for a ban on video games, or a ban on violent TV shows.

What we need in this society is someone explaining to children that what we see on tv, in movies, and in video games is just entertainment. And beyond that, we need more mental health specialists in our elementary schools to catch these young people at an early enough stage in their development that we can help them learn and repair any emerging mental conditions.

Unfortunately, that could take years, or even decades, and it wouldn't fix the existing mental illnesses in our young adults. And that's why it's such a complicated problem. Sure, the short-term solution is to increase gun restrictions until we can figure out who is sane enough to handle an assault rifle without getting the urge to mow down some children.

But we have to learn how to weed out people who are going to get that urge.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
I do believe it is important to shine a spotlight on evil in the world, whether it manifests in politics or in our schools or anywhere in between. Without a vibrant and competitive free press, way too much would be swept under carpets.

With that said, I really hate when they so obviously pander for ratings. But what's the alternative?
hunkalove · 61-69, M
I don't think they have much choice. Reminds me of when Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union had serial killers but they couldn't admit it. Consequently, the killers remained active much longer.
And never forget, the corporate news media exists to sell advertising. Fear and hate work best.
uncalled4 · 56-60, M
@hunkalove I didn't forget; that's covered in my post.
GovanDUNNY · M
They should not be named as they seek infamy ,they should be arrested "or shot" and never again see the light of day ,like they just vanished.The SAS never take Terrorists prisoner , it would be good that they knew they were committing suicide
uncalled4 · 56-60, M
@GovanDUNNY I did see ABC news NOT mentioning one of these maniacs, and I'll give credit where it's due.
GovanDUNNY · M
@uncalled4 Thats good and the way it should be
Eternity · 26-30, M
Not talking about something wont make it go away...
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
So the media went into this major change where they stopped publicizing names and photos of mass shooters so they wouldn't give 'fame' to the people who did it. Like most people can't name the Uvalde shooter.

Didn't work. There's very likely a copycat effect because people see it as a vaiable option but the only thing the media could do is literally just never mention it when say, twenty people die in a supermarket and then why even have news.

The problem is social decay and access to guns. Media ain't driving this.
uncalled4 · 56-60, M
@CountScrofula I believe that all three have an effect, along with insufficient means of handling mental illness. These are perfect storms.
They don't want people to know whats really happening. Trust the media, hell no.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@WhisperingAngel I know I'm going to regret this. I always regret this. But I have to ask anyway, because you're begging the question. Who's they?
uncalled4 · 56-60, M
@LordShadowfire Easy there! 🙂
@LordShadowfire The media/reporter's.
Heartlander · 80-89, M
I believe it was president Eisenhower who warned us about the "Milirtary-Industrial Complex".

A far greater fear is the "Democrat-Media Complex".
CorvusBlackthorne · 100+, M
@Heartlander You begin with a proven fact, under the mistaken impression that others will be more likely to believe the lie in your conclusion. I am certain there is a logical fallacy there somewhere.
eMortal · M
The media are trapped between reporting about the tragedy and avoiding to display how shocked the world is.
Heartlander · 80-89, M
@eMortal

They focus on the gun itself rather than the shooter.
Meanwhile they mostly ignore the far greater level violence in our big Democrat cities.
But, if it's a policeman the full weight of the misinformation industry arrives within a nanosecond.
They likewise ignore the 100,000+ who will die this year of drug OD.

The collusion between the Democrats and the misinformation industry isn't new. Go research why FDR was so slow in acknowledging the holocaust, and why the misinformation industry buried the stories in the back pages. Anti-semitism was very much alive in the US in the early 1940s, and it was politically advantageous to not make "the Jews" the reason for the war.
DDonde · 31-35, M
I'm definitely of the opinion that they should not be tried for publicizing violent acts. I'm not sure where I stand between the other two options though.

I kind of agree with what you're saying in that what the news is doing by turning tragedy into some kind of grotesque entertainment is kind of bad. Important to report that these things happened though. I suppose the question is the manner in which they do it?
uncalled4 · 56-60, M
@DDonde If you look up my other post, where I accuse ABC of turning the news into softcore murder porn, you'll get more of my mindset.
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It is nonsensical to even imply that the media are complicit in mass murders

It is also nonsensical to label just reporting on the event as "sensationalizing"

So I can't select any of the current poll options because the closest available option implies there is a cost to exposing evil, which is a flawed premise; exposing evil does not make anyone commit evil acts anymore than Ukraine even thinking of joining NATO is an invasion of Russia

A person intent on killing a bunch of elementary school kids and teachers cannot walk in armed solely with a paper copy of the New York Times or the Reuters website pulled up on their mobile phone and hurt anyone

On the other hand, gun manufacturers and right wing legislators misinterpreting/twisting the second amendment provide that person with the means to carry out their attack

Moreover, when you do not report on who jumps off of the Golden Gate Bridge, it does not stop people from jumping off of the Golden Gate Bridge
uncalled4 · 56-60, M
@Diotrephes That's because you're rational and civilized. Not everyone can make that claim.
SW-User
@uncalled4 so when do we ban video games and Marilyn Manson songs?
uncalled4 · 56-60, M
@SW-User Never.
SW-User
I believe that this is not much different to the question of whether violent videos or games cause violent events. The answer is yes if you're already that way inclined and no if you're not. The vast majority of people are not. The vast majority of people have a line that they just don't cross regardless of how much they feel like they might want to.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
So here's the thing. Mass shootings are news, and should be reported. The problem as I see it is that as you say, the footage is attractive to other sick fucks who might be tempted to do the same thing. They also focus very much on the sick fucks who commit the crimes, which is what those people want. That makes the whole thing a balancing act, and for my money, if you're a journalist, you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.
uncalled4 · 56-60, M
@LordShadowfire Should be reported, could be done in a more respectful way, except a lot of these people are misanthropic to the core, and I think it shows.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@uncalled4 Yeah, you can tell these people are numb to the suffering they've been reporting for so long.
Lilnonames · F
I think it's wrong. U don't see any good news of good things being done alwsyd violent. Fights. Wrecks destruction killings
uncalled4 · 56-60, M
@Lilnonames People who do good usually don't have publicists, ha. And yet, it feels really good to do something for someone. That part ought to be pushed more.
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@LordShadowfire I knew you’d twist it to make yourself sound sweet and innocent.. face palm

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@CorvusBlackthorne but since you wanna pretend everyone’s dumb and a memory shorter than yours..

CorvusBlackthorne · 100+, M
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout You provided a screenshot of a video, and the headline states nothing about storming the White House. Say nothing if you are fully aware that you did this because you do not have any actual evidence.

 
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