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QueenOfTheNerds · 41-45, F
Ghost guns are unserialized but are still traceable through ballistics, but not always registered. They can be polymer frames, but they aren’t entirely plastic. No gun is completely plastic and many popular gun manufacturers use these polymer frames anyway.
A teenager cannot legally purchase the 80% lower (the unfinished frame of the weapon) or the parts kits and they are not cheap.
New regulations prohibit the sale of these 80% lowers and kits without them being serialized and registered as a weapon.
A teenager cannot legally purchase the 80% lower (the unfinished frame of the weapon) or the parts kits and they are not cheap.
New regulations prohibit the sale of these 80% lowers and kits without them being serialized and registered as a weapon.
ChiefJustWalks · 26-30
@QueenOfTheNerds thank you 🙌
wildbill83 · 41-45, M
amazing how uneducated people are on the subject of so called "ghost guns"...
1 - they're not simply "kits" that you buy online that are complete to assemble; they're either incomplete kits that require parts that aren't easy to acquire (sear, trigger group, etc.); or they're partially milled receivers that require professional gunsmithing jigs and tools to complete
2 - while parts kits don't have to be registered (they're not a firearm), a complete functioning firearm does; regardless where it came from or how it was assembled/built. someone with knowledge on firearm workings and access to/experience with lathe, mill, and various other metal working tools could produce their own complete firearm/prototype... but it still has to be registered. Same for suppressors, easy to make... but still have to be registered.
3 - they're not plastic; while many external/structural parts can be replaced with polymer; internal mechanical parts and those that experience a lot of heat and friction cannot (barrel, firing pin, springs, etc.). A completely plastic gun either simply wouldn't work (most likely) or would blow up in your face...
Given the time, expense, and knowledge required for parts kit/prototype firearms, it's pretty idiotic to assume that it's done solely for criminal intent
My uncle runs a gunshop (ffl dealer), and has been gunsmithing for over 40 years. He's had all kinds of customers with parts kits/incompletes go through his shop. Most takes months, in many cases years to search for and purchase all the required parts (blueprints/diagrams for much of the older stuff are impossible to find, or are extremely rare and come at great expense, so reproducing certain parts is out of the question); after the process is all said and done, we're talking thousands of dollars in expenses, even more for an older automatics (stens, grease guns, mp40s, mg42s, etc.)
1 - they're not simply "kits" that you buy online that are complete to assemble; they're either incomplete kits that require parts that aren't easy to acquire (sear, trigger group, etc.); or they're partially milled receivers that require professional gunsmithing jigs and tools to complete
2 - while parts kits don't have to be registered (they're not a firearm), a complete functioning firearm does; regardless where it came from or how it was assembled/built. someone with knowledge on firearm workings and access to/experience with lathe, mill, and various other metal working tools could produce their own complete firearm/prototype... but it still has to be registered. Same for suppressors, easy to make... but still have to be registered.
3 - they're not plastic; while many external/structural parts can be replaced with polymer; internal mechanical parts and those that experience a lot of heat and friction cannot (barrel, firing pin, springs, etc.). A completely plastic gun either simply wouldn't work (most likely) or would blow up in your face...
Given the time, expense, and knowledge required for parts kit/prototype firearms, it's pretty idiotic to assume that it's done solely for criminal intent
My uncle runs a gunshop (ffl dealer), and has been gunsmithing for over 40 years. He's had all kinds of customers with parts kits/incompletes go through his shop. Most takes months, in many cases years to search for and purchase all the required parts (blueprints/diagrams for much of the older stuff are impossible to find, or are extremely rare and come at great expense, so reproducing certain parts is out of the question); after the process is all said and done, we're talking thousands of dollars in expenses, even more for an older automatics (stens, grease guns, mp40s, mg42s, etc.)
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DailyFlash · 56-60, M
@wildbill83 “Ghost guns, which include firearms assembled from kits or made with 3D printers, are untraceable by law enforcement and often undetectable by metal detectors.” Giffords Law Center
wildbill83 · 41-45, M
@DailyFlash
even a multi-million dollar metal/sinter 3d printer can't produce a finished fully functional firearm
and as stated before, you can't print a functional totally plastic handgun with a home 3d printer either...
plastic filament layers don't even have a 1/100th of the rigidity of rolled steel, and they propose that it's possible to fire a bullet with 30,000psi+ of case pressure through a plastic barrel? 🤣
I'd certainly like to see them try... then laugh my ass off when it explodes and removes their fingers...
Giffords Law Center
aka, a bunch of biased leftist desk jockeys from california that wouldn't know their butthole from a hole in the ground...even a multi-million dollar metal/sinter 3d printer can't produce a finished fully functional firearm
and as stated before, you can't print a functional totally plastic handgun with a home 3d printer either...
plastic filament layers don't even have a 1/100th of the rigidity of rolled steel, and they propose that it's possible to fire a bullet with 30,000psi+ of case pressure through a plastic barrel? 🤣
I'd certainly like to see them try... then laugh my ass off when it explodes and removes their fingers...
fanuc2013 · 51-55, F
@DailyFlash Apparently Giffords Law Center doesn't know what they're talking about either!
ChiefJustWalks · 26-30
Ghost guns are not cheap. Building them costs about the same as buying one complete & it takes more time. Especially with most gun parts being on backorder these days.
They're not plain plastic. They use polymer frames & still need metal parts so the bit about them passing through metal detectors is entirely false. The only gun I've heard of that can pass a metal detector is an FN Five-Seven & I haven't even confirmed that
They're not plain plastic. They use polymer frames & still need metal parts so the bit about them passing through metal detectors is entirely false. The only gun I've heard of that can pass a metal detector is an FN Five-Seven & I haven't even confirmed that
ChiefJustWalks · 26-30
@wildbill83 yeah I definitely wouldn't buy one with the prices of ammo in general rn. I only carry a 9mm currently because there's always ammo for it so it's just practical to me. But hahaha I'm a Glock fanboy I guess 😂 I don't stick to it it's just what I like. I've tried plenty of others & I still wanna try more. The only one I regret selling is my 45mm Colt Series 80
wildbill83 · 41-45, M
@ChiefJustWalks doesn't help that FN has the 5.7 priced out of contention; can buy a decked out Sig or HK for what a 5.7 costs these days.
Oster1 · M
@wildbill83 Ruger makes one too.
I'm going to start an IED company and sale them to people that want to take out the NRA.
Oh wait that is terrorism? But the NRA isnt?
Oh wait that is terrorism? But the NRA isnt?
DCarey · 46-50, M
@canusernamebemyusername How many mass murders have been committed by NRA members? The same as your IQ-- zero.
Doomflower · 36-40, M
Now what we need is ghost ammo and we're golden. Don't need uncle sam spying on my doomsday stockpile. Can we print fully automatic guns yet?
DailyFlash · 56-60, M
@Doomflower doh stupid government!
Doomflower · 36-40, M
@DailyFlash that will be the file name for my 3D gun collection
GerOttman · 61-69, M
@Doomflower I'm building a fully automatic compressed air powered nail gun! Break into my house and you might get a 2D carpet tac through the left earlobe... (Thhpp-Thhpp!!)
Baremine · 70-79, C
Ghost guns are not all plastic. Most are not. A ghost gun is one that you build yourself. You can't legally sell it. You can't legally make one for someone else. The bullshit that Biden and the media have put out about ghost guns is just that 99% lies.
Dainbramadge · 56-60, M
Ghost guns aren't just snap together kits.
Like the lower receivers are just the castings. They still have to be machined to a pretty tight tolerance. Like .005 to .015 tolerance. You're not going to do that with a Dremel tool.
My buddy has two AR's that he built from kits. But he is a machinist. He has the knowledge and access to the machinery required to finish the receiver.
Even though he has these so-called ghost guns he hasn't shot up any place with them or sold them to an 18-year-old mentally challenged kid.
Why should he be penalized because of what a few bad apples do?
Like the lower receivers are just the castings. They still have to be machined to a pretty tight tolerance. Like .005 to .015 tolerance. You're not going to do that with a Dremel tool.
My buddy has two AR's that he built from kits. But he is a machinist. He has the knowledge and access to the machinery required to finish the receiver.
Even though he has these so-called ghost guns he hasn't shot up any place with them or sold them to an 18-year-old mentally challenged kid.
Why should he be penalized because of what a few bad apples do?
DCarey · 46-50, M
How many mass shootings have been committed by NRA members?
fanuc2013 · 51-55, F
That narrative is soooo full of holes! Do you really believe all the crap you're spewing?
Firegod74 · 46-50, M
Now i want one even more.
TexChik · F
Ghost guns are illegal . My gun is metal and polymer. And by virtue of my permit, I can carry it wherever I go . Except a school ( college is ok ) , courthouse , or hospital
DailyFlash · 56-60, M
@TexChik they were unregulated in most states and legal until Biden’s recent executive order. Which the NRA did not support.
TexChik · F
@DailyFlash no president should be able to violate the 2A.
wildbill83 · 41-45, M
This video pretty much sums up the intellect of liberals that spout rhetoric about so called "ghost guns"...
[media=https://youtu.be/iJmFEv6BHM0]
[media=https://youtu.be/iJmFEv6BHM0]
Fukfacewillie · 56-60, M
The NRA is a terrorist organization.
Baremine · 70-79, C
@Fukfacewillie you are dead wrong. The Democratic party is more of a terrorist organization than the NRA.
Fukfacewillie · 56-60, M
@Baremine Gee, what a great argument.
Baremine · 70-79, C
@Fukfacewillie not arguing. Stating a fact.
DearAmbellina2113 · 41-45, F
This is probably THE single worst idea to come out of the U.S.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
Nope