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I been watching some videos on YouTube about narcissism

and about how narcissists NEED to have an enemy because its part of their narcissistic supply or something

But yeah, if this is true... it got me thinking about how there are a lot of people who like to accuse everybody of hating them because they are (insert title here) even though the people they're accusing legit have a mile long list of all the reasons and proof of why they DON'T hate them 😂

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ElwoodBlues · M

We need to be careful not to throw that narcissism label around too carelessly. There are plenty of selfish immature needy people who aren't full fledged narcissists. That said, Trump appears to have all nine symptoms.

According to DSM-5, individuals with NPD have most (at least five) or all of the symptoms listed below (generally without commensurate qualities or accomplishments).

1 Grandiosity with expectations of superior treatment by others.
2 Fixated on fantasies of power, success, intelligence, attractiveness, etc.
3 Self-perception of being unique, superior, and associated with high-status people and institutions.
4 Needing constant admiration from others.
5 Sense of entitlement to special treatment and to obedience from others.
6 Exploitative of others to achieve personal gain.
7 Unwilling to empathize with others' feelings, wishes, or needs.
8 Intensely jealous of others and the belief that others are equally jealous of them.
9 Pompous and arrogant demeanor.

By any reasonable standard, Trump's behavior is a near perfect fit to the profile of narcissistic personality disorder as characterized by the explicit criteria in DSM-5.

Briefly, if one cannot have love, one resorts to respect. And when respect is unavailable, one resorts to fear. Trump is now living through an intolerable loss of respect: rejection by a nation in his election defeat. Violence helps compensate for feelings of powerlessness, inadequacy and lack of real productivity.

Fishy · 36-40, F

@ElwoodBlues

We need to be careful not to throw that narcissism label around too carelessly

Yeah this is true too.

I've noticed that there are some people around that will label just about anyone as a narcissist

Its like the barnum effect, its basically like star signs and horoscopes being written in a way that everyone relates to or relates someone else to

CrazyMusicLover · 31-35

Interesting thing about narcissism is that if you look up any other personality disorder, you'd find at least one person confessing to being diagnosed with it and willing to share their experience, their way of thinking and behaviour. I couldn't find a single one on narcissism though. Not even a legit confirmed example of a dialogue with one, like a case study.

Fishy · 36-40, F

@CrazyMusicLover That's a good point.

I mean, one of the hallmarks of narcissist is not admitting their flaws

and in addition to that, the people who genuinely aren't narcs are going to react negatively to being "outed" as one because people naturally respond negatively to false accusations 🤔

Fishy · 36-40, F

@CrazyMusicLover

I dunno if this counts, but I found this:

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CrazyMusicLover · 31-35

@Fishy Omg that's so annoying to watch with all the interruptions. I hoped there was an original video in the link of her channel he put under his video but there's nothing there. 😑

SnailTeeth · 36-40, M

A narcissist likes to keep plates spinning.
They like the illusion of control.
They like having an audience of "flying monkeys".
The narcissist needs to be mommy or daddy, they need to be the head, or closely work in concert with the archal figure.

When a narcissist realises you realise they're a narcissist, they'll cast as much shade at you as possible, in an attempt to steal any support they can out from under you.

They're insecure at the very least.

As a result, I think they try to hurt others to feel empowered.

The enemy/the scapegoat.

They fascinate me, and I still have great difficulty picking them out specifically. I think the majority of us are capable of exhibiting narcissism without even realising.

It's almost impossible to beat them when they're entrenched socially. Ever been in a toxic work environment? That's narcissism spoiling those apples. They hide behind group think. They're master manipulators.

They're good to those they can utilise. Or at least as good as they can be.

OogieBoogie · F

Human nature seems to be divided when it comes to blame: it's either outwards or inwards.

Either is toxic .

Edit: but it easier to fight against someone else than yourself .

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Kwek00 · 41-45, M

@Fishy

You asked "how can they all be toxic"

Yes, because of the generalisation in the thing that I highlighted. Her reply is pretty much:

Human nature appears to have 2 sets of blame:
1. Outward focused
2. Inward focused

Either/both are toxic

... except for the nuance in "seems", the rest is pretty much an absolute statement. There is no wiggle room. I don't believe they are toxic in their entirety. There can be instances (ifs) where something is toxic. But if other "ifs" show up they might not be toxic. So yeah... my question is "How can they be all toxic", since there is no wiggle room here.

... for your last part. I wasn't talking about your comment, I was directly replying to the reply.

OogieBoogie · F

@Kwek00 I say " either is toxic" when they are a personality trait.
If a person always looks outwards for blame - it's toxic, just as if a person always blames themselves .

In reality, sometimes there is no one to blame ...it's just consequence of flow of actions. Sometimes both parties can parlty guilty.
Blame is rarely solely one persons fault, or one person's actions. There is action, reaction, and consequence.
ALL of which can create a flow of events that form the actual cause . Life is complex like that .

I'd listen to @Fishy , they have managed to grasp the concept I was trying to express.😊

OogieBoogie · F

@Kwek00 You are right - it was a generalisation of extreme blame gaming mentalities that phsycologists have to deal with.

If one has a healthy mentality, then they don't fit into either problematic generalisation, and hence aren't divergent in their reasoning abilities.

We all know people aren't black or white. But we do know that people can enter extremes of thinking ....which become unhealthy .
(which are the examples I chose)
These extremes taint ones view of reality and cause dysfunction in how one views people and relationships.

These extremes of distorted thinking exist : Narcissism and BPD often push blame on others, whereas 'people pleasers' often blame themselves or allow themselves to carry blame.

As to the 'enemy' element and narcissism, 'enemy' might not be the best word. Maybe 'scapegoat' could be a more appropriate word as narcissists rarely blamingly confront exterior people that are out of their direct control, but will repeatedly blamingly contront their 'victim' or 'controlled intimate', ( which is more often than not, someone they claim to 'love').

And this is all so sad, as their true enemy is their own distorted irrational emotional reasoning .😞

SW-User

There are 7 types of narcs...

Which makes it even more confusing because technically everyone can be one form or another

Fishy · 36-40, F

@SW-User Wow... 7 is a lot 👀

SW-User

@Fishy yes it is

deadgerbil · 26-30, M

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SW-User

Lmao. Hadn't heard that. All about manipulation.

They live to be admired and will have a large following, specially on social media. The person who wants to be friends with everyone and seemingly likes everyone is the person who wants to be liked.

Could name a couple names

NerdyPotato · M

She's really good when it comes to unravelling narcissism.

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