Vegan fallacy

@Ferise1 then apparently you've never looked into a mirror...

@Viper by that logic, I am a killer stranger, but not a family member

ALL birds are vestiges of dinosaurs. Cats were once something else, too.

E raise the turkeys you suggest we kill to clear the land for soy, not ‘tofo’.

@Graylight not sure what you're attempting to say here ...

You agreed with me, and yeah, all somethings where once something else too, including the universe... not sure how that's relevant.to the current conversation.

tomato or tamata it doesn't matter why you're clearing the land, the fact that you're killing the animals and their freedom by doing so...

Just the one the vegans don't do is evil, and the one they do is perfectly innocent because they're the ones doing it... it's a double standard just like any other.

@Viper uhhhhh good one!

@Viper vegans don’t kill animals we’re nothing but good.

@Ferise1 yeah, you get others to do your dirty work.

No@Viper

@Ferise1 Keep lying to yourself 😉

@Viper Ted Nugent, a man who said that the South African apartheid “isn’t that cut and dry” and that all men are not created equal, and who bragged about his relationships with underage girls, went on the Joe Rogan Experience podcast in 2018 to talk about, of all things, morality. Specifically, how those who follow a vegan lifestyle are responsible for more animal deaths - through the harvesting of crops and use of fertilisers and pesticides - than people who choose to consume animals directly.

We do see this comment quite often and it’s about time we took a good look at the argument being made. Are animals killed in plant production? Yes, but it’s not just vegans eating plants, especially soy - of all the crops to choose. In fact, around 75 to 80 per cent of the soy that is produced is used as farmed animal feed and only 6 per cent is actually used for human consumption. Therefore, if you are upset about animals being killed in soy farming, then stop funding the industries that use three-quarters of all the soy that is grown.


Nugent is not the only one who has made this argument. Chris Kresser used the same argument a year later also on the Joe Rogan podcast in which he cited a research paper that stated that 7.3 billion animals were killed every year from plant agriculture if counting, as well as mouse deaths, birds killed by pesticides, fish killed by fertiliser run-off and lizards and amphibians killed by eating insects contaminated with toxic pesticides.

Firstly, more than 9.5 billion land animals are killed directly for food in the US each year and when you add marine animals that number becomes 55 billion, so more animals are still killed directly for meat, dairy and eggs than they are for crops. Secondly, according to data from the USDA, 77.3 million acres of land in the US are used to grow crops that humans eat directly, and 127.4 million acres are used to grow crops that are converted to animal feed, which means that about 65 per cent more land is harvested just to produce animal feed. That’s not to mention the 654 million acres of land that are used for pasture, which means that in the US ten times more land is given to animal farming compared to plant farming. In fact, according to the most comprehensive analysis ever conducted exploring farming and the environment 83 per cent of all global agricultural land is used for animal farming.

Let’s have a look at the study that Kresser cited in more detail - Field Deaths in Plant Agriculture - published in the Journal of Agricultural and Environmental Ethics in 2018. For those of you who saw his debate with James Wilks, who produced The Gamechangers, you’ll know that Kresser cannot read forest plots, but it seems as if he has a bigger problem - his inability to actually understand the subject matter in the first place, as he clearly had not read through the paper he cited.

Firstly, the 7.3 billion animals that Chris cites from this paper is derived from data that the authors call into question. In their own words they say, “the estimate should be reduced: 7.3 billion is clearly too high”. If you read the paper the authors actually do much more to dismantle the crop deaths argument, even providing example studies such as a 2004 study that examined the effect of wheat and corn harvesting in central Argentina. It compared the population and distribution of grass mice in three habitats: crop fields, regions bordering the fields and the wider surrounding area. While the number of mice found in fields substantially decreased after harvest, their numbers substantially increased in the border regions. When it came to disappearances, a category that included both mouse deaths and migration out of the study area, there was no significant difference between the three habitats. The study concluded that changes in the number of field animals were “the consequences of movement and not of high[er] mortality in crops”.

@Viper you forfeited the argument you loser

@Ferise1 Racist redneck f...

@Peaceandnamaste peace and namaste😂😂😂😂

@Ferise1 You're the one that's name calling because you can't make a case, so it's pretty clear you had no argument lol 😂

Other than you're sensitive and crying about it, because you can't handle the real world.

@Viper you kill animals, didn’t know you had the nerves of a little girl. I made my case meat is bad for your health, the animals and the environment. You just can’t handle it. You’re too hooked on meat and too weak to give it up.

@Ferise1 Yes I kill animals, because I'm not the little girl that's afraid of actually work and getting the job done.

The little girl is the one that refuses to do so...

Yes, you changed the subject, to something off-topic, because you couldn't argue the topic of the original post.

Why would I give up a good thing? :D It's delicious!

It's just your opinion... and the fact you can't handle those that disagree with your opinion.

@Viper the little girl kills defensless animals. The man spares them.

It’s not delicious, try going without for a while and you’ll see. Or are you too much of a little girl to try 😃

AND YOURE DESTROYING YOUR HEALTH, THE ANIMALS AND THE ENVIRONMENT YOU NEANDERTHAL…

@Ferise1 it's my health and it's my choice, leave my body and uterus alone p3nis having person.

@Ferise1 😂 On what planet? 😂

Generally speaking for humans from earth, it's the males that have gone out hunting.

I've gone without meat before, it's alright, but meat clearly makes things better. And what's horrible is the vegans that refuse cheese.

At least the neanderthal were smart enough.to realize generally the men go hunting, not the little girls.

@Ferise1 why try to not eat meat. It is fantastic

@Olderguy And it is, for those who like it. But some people have certain principles and some people, like me, just never had a taste for it. I eat it, but I’ve never just put an unadorned piece of meat in my mouth. Except for bacon, that bacon is not a meat. 🤞