why are some people so rude and inconsiderate?

@MarkPaul it's not exactly like they're obligated to talk to anyone.

@SW-User If you go out INTO society than it's time to use your manners. And, those who don't are neglecting their obligations. If they don't want those obligations, then by all means don't go out INTO society. Period.

@MarkPaul she had her dad with her. she didn't have to talk to anyone. if anything it's rude to talk about someone who probably can't hear them. earphones in, doesn't wanna talk. seems pretty simple to me.

@SW-User I don't care for your attitude very much. She doesn't have to talk to anyone, that's true. But, then she should have the guts to confront that head-on instead of hiding behind earbuds. What if someone had something important to tell her?

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@MarkPaul if someone had something important to tell her they would just say it. and like she said, she could still hear her surroundings. also you can't just expect people to have the same level of confidence as you. that's ridiculous.

@SW-User If she noticeably has the ear buds inserted in her ears, then she is making it known she is blocking everyone out. No one knows what volume she is sitting on. My point is, it's not reasonable to go out into public and then attempt to shun the public. It's not reasonable. It's not believable. And, I don't like it.

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@MarkPaul she isn't shunning the public. she's right to feel offended by what that man said. he was just straight up rude. she has a valid reason for wearing earphones. and it's not the type of thing you'd wanna just tell a stranger face to face. by wearing earphones she's avoiding a possible breakdown. she isn't purposely going out of her way to be rude.

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@MarkPaul like somebody already said, they are not me trying to be rude and block people out entirely. i have a sensory condition, and loud noises can send me into a very unpleasant episode. my earbuds help keep me from having these episodes. i'm very responsible with how much of the outside world i filter out, i won't just drown out everybody's voices without letting whoever i'm with know (and even then i won't do this unless i'm on the verge of a meltdown). i keep my music at a low enough volume to dampen the loudness around me, while still being able to hear if someone is talking to me.
and why do i have to be social in public, exactly? i can get it to an extent with people i know and are with at that moment, but honestly why should i be open to socialize with strangers? especially since i'll almost certainly never see them again? even if i didn't have to "look" antisocial with my earbuds, i'd still choose not to talk with some random guy at a store i'll never be going to again.
as for confrontation, i wasn't going to start a potential argument for no reason. yelling is a big trigger for my previously mentioned sensory issues, so i try to avoid any situations that might lead to it. besides, my dad disengaged shortly after the man said this, so the entire situation ended pretty quickly
just because i'm doing something that might seem rude to you, doesn't mean i am doing it for that reason. each of us have things our body requires to function well, which might appear 'rude', or 'weird' to others. it would be awesome if you could consider that in the future before jumping to conclusions

@TomboyGirl Hopefully you know, there is absolutely no way I nor anyone else could know all this without you explaining it. At the same time, we have a right to expect a certain level of common courtesy and manners when we encounter you in public. I'm not saying you are required to be an open book to everyone you pass on the street. It's just unreasonable to expect us to assume: A. you have the volume on your earbuds at a low enough level you can hear us, B. you are not being anti-social, C. you are hypersensitive to everything going on about you, D. you hate people you deem you will never see again, and E. you are not going out of your way to be rude.

I don't engage in conversation with everyone I come across and I am a fan of only meaningful conversations. I'm not very good at small talk. But, still there is such a thing as social interaction and manners. That is really what we are talking about here. You have chosen to go out in public. There are norms to be practised and yes, followed. Choosing not to engage, I'm sorry to say, is a bit self-absorbed and rude. Of course that is your free will to engage in the behaviour of your choice. Just don't be surprised when people react to you accordingly. That's all I am letting you know.

@MarkPaul [quote]There are norms to be practised and yes, followed.[/quote]

Your responses are very insensitive and you seem butthurt.
You mentioned norms that are not everywhere the same and beaking them does lead to social consequences some people are not equipped to deal with and frankly shouldn't have to deal with in the first place.

I'm German and most germans like to keep to themselves in public and are very eager to protect their little private spaces also we don't smile at strangers in public or would ever start small talk with strangers. If people behave rudely in public when they are disturbed in whatever they are doing or things get awkward we as germans wouldn't mind cause we understand.

@MarkPaul [quote]we have a right to expect a certain level of common courtesy and manners when we encounter you in public.[/quote]

No you can expect it sure but when you get disappointed it's on you.

@PrincessOfHell Well, I think you are over-reacting and being unnecessarily dramatic. I am not suggesting she greet strangers with hugs and kisses and delve into their personal lives. I'm not even suggesting she smile. I don't and get criticised for being too serious all of the time. But, going out into public and then behaving badly by acting that no one else is there and no one else counts and expecting everyone to cater to your whims, idiosyncrasies, and extravagant moods is out of bounds in any and every culture... except solitary confinement in any prison of any society of your choice.

And, I don't appreciate getting yelled at for basically stating the obvious.

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@MarkPaul [quote]But, going out into public and then behaving badly by acting that no one else is there and no one else counts and expecting everyone to cater to your whims, idiosyncrasies, and extravagant moods is out of bounds in any and every culture... [/quote]

First she didn't do that and why would it be an issue to ignore others in public. When we move around we ignore all kinds of strangers coming our way, politely moving out of their way.

Having difficulties with sensory overload is not an "extravagant mood" and a society that respects peoples needs and does not judge is just an empathic inclusive one.

@PrincessOfHell Well, maybe in your world-of-one that is fitting and what you fancy, but in the wide-open world that kind of behaviour is simply not acceptable. No one knows she has sensory overload just like no one knows what pronouns she prefers, what her day has been like, and if she is cool, calm, and collected or a serial killer. "We" give her the benefit of the doubt, but she needs to put in some effort to be granted that benefit. It's not really that much to ask.

In her home, in her room, sealed in her cocoon she can play anyway she likes. But, when she moves out on to public turf, she needs to stop acting like a spoiled brat expecting the world to cater to her while she is not willing to reciprocate.

@MarkPaul [quote]kind of behaviour is simply not acceptable.[/quote]

Again in public most people ignore each other while just not bothering don't know why you ignore that argument.

[quote]she needs to stop acting like a spoiled brat expecting the world to cater to her while she is not willing to reciprocate.[/quote]

Educate yourself on autism please then you wouldn't be saying dumb stuff like this. Are blind people spoiled for expecting less barriers in society? Are people suffering from depression spoiled when acting different in society?

Also reciprocate in what way. You are not even responding to her post, you seem to attack a strawman of her and it is just immature bullying on your part.

@PrincessOfHell Are you serious??? I responded to her directly and distinctly. That seems to be your problem with me.

If most people ignore her, then this wouldn't even have been an issue for her to write about. It seems you are not reading what she wrote, responding with a sincere heart, and instead you seem obsessed with only yelling at me for having a position different from yours. What are you hoping to accomplish with your insane insolence?

While you want to literally mother-her-to-death, if you took the time to read what she wrote, she obviously is astute enough to know what is going on, is able to capture people's sensitivities to her blocked appearance and attitude, and able to discern the hostility it is causing around her. Perhaps she is enjoying that power over others.

A blind person is ONLY spoiled if he/she expects the world to suddenly cater to her/his condition in a way that transforms the society as though everyone was blind. Instead, blind people learn how to make accommodations for the world they can't see. Even someone with as much anger and distress that you harbour should be able to "see" that.

As for depressed people, if you had the basic courtesy to read what she originally wrote and take the time to evaluate it instead of trying to pick a fight with me by making things up out of your own immaturity, you would know depression is not what her situation is all about. Bad behaviour is never something that should be favoured regardless of any person's physical or mental condition. It might do you some good to learn that lesson (along with some basic manners) sooner rather than later. Feel free to ask me any questions about how to apply that lesson. I am here to enlighten you.

@MarkPaul Nope you completly misunderstood her post and refuse to educate yourself on autism otherwise you would not equate it with "bad behavior".

You don't have a different opinion you are just being a condescending mean person.

And what hostility? There was a guy being disrespectful to her not the other way round and he wasn't even adressing her in the convo.

@MarkPaul [quote]Instead, blind people learn how to make accommodations for the world they can't see.[/quote]

Actually we as people who are able to see make accomondations like building those riles or whatever they are called on the floors so people can use their sticks to know where they are going or where they shouldn't go. We also learn their language and print information in their language.

[quote]you would know depression is not what her situation is all about[/quote]
Never wrote it is her problem but another example. Also it is a mental health situation and you keep on rambling about "bad behaviour"

@PrincessOfHell Yes, and we call that "reciprocation." The seeing world makes accommodations for blind people, and blind people make accommodations for a world they can't see by trying to fit in. They don't shut down and block out the world. What don't you still get?