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Abortion rights in USA

I know this is a topic that will ignite some pretty hardline feelings in a lot of people, I’ll limit my say on the matter to the fact that I’m stunned that an advanced country like America is having to even have this discussion in 2022.
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TinyViolins · 31-35, M
It marks the only occasion I've been able to find of the Supreme Court actually taking away people's rights. Regardless of how you feel about abortion, that is a scary concept that nine people can rob you of your freedoms overnight. It makes you wonder what else could be next. How much more progress could be undone by political activists on the highest court?
Mak03 · F
@TinyViolins they did not remove a right they made it a state's choice
Chrisy3 · 18-21, F
I agree with you entirely here, they acted as ‘enablers’ allowing for the removal of basic human rights. @TinyViolins
TinyViolins · 31-35, M
@Mak03 That's essentially removing a right given how many states had laws on the books against it prior to Roe v. Wade
Mak03 · F
@TinyViolins in most states no one will notice the change in any way in several states the point you can have an abortion will change and in a very few state it will be banned until it is a ballot issue and the people of those states vote
TinyViolins · 31-35, M
@Mak03 Hyper-partisan gerrymandering has made it so that nearly 85% of districts are considered "safe", where votes will swing towards one party regardless of voter turnout. That means that US Representatives and State Senators, who pass these laws, will lean red or blue (usually red) irrespective of the popular vote.

What's going to happen is that states that are deeply red will now successfully pass legislation to outlaw abortion in their states, and that the House of Representatives in the future could pass national laws to ban the practice since Roe v. Wade no longer has national precedence.

Right now it still affects millions of women, and it will get even worse in the future given what we've seen heard from current politicians
DavidT8899 · 22-25, M
@TinyViolins In the case of abortions,they did not "take away a right"-they affirmed that specific right didnt exist on a federal level and never should have granted in the first place.
TinyViolins · 31-35, M
@DavidT8899 You're contradicting yourself. A right is something that is protected by the government, which was the case with abortion when it was granted in Roe v. Wade, and then this ruling removed that protection. That's exactly what it means to take away a right.

The women in states that have abortion laws in the books, and those states rushing to push more restrictive abortion laws, have had their federally protected right taken away from them, a right which had been reaffirmed by the Supreme Court numerous times in the past 50 years.

Why should state governments get to decide what counts as life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness when those are concepts brought about in the federal Constitution numerous times? In previous rulings since Roe v. Wade, it specifically interpreted bodily autonomy to be a liberty in the case of abortion. Now, states get to decide what a woman can and can't do with her own body, which fundamentally limits the liberty she got to enjoy as a US citizen
DavidT8899 · 22-25, M
@TinyViolins But heres the problem:in those previous rulings,the court ruled on the issue INCORRECTLY-a fact that even abortion advocates conceded at the time.If they were to follow the dictates of LAW,as is their duty,the current court had no choice but to set the situation right,and they should be commended for doing so.Look,dont assume that Im totally anti-choice,and I understand that many women feel like the rug as been pulled out from under them.But they should blame the pervious courts for putting them in that postion by rewriting the Constitution at their whim,not the current ones who had the courage do to the right thing.
TinyViolins · 31-35, M
@DavidT8899 If it was ruled incorrectly, then why did it stand up to challenges multiple times over the last 5 decades and still held up as stare decisis?

What makes you so absolutely certain that every other Supreme Court in the last 50 years was wrong, while this one, which has seen 3 new judges appointed by a President that lost the popular vote twice and illegally tried to secure a second term, suddenly got it right?

BTW, the judges don't have the capacity to rewrite the Constitution. They interpreted a previous amendment according to the legal cases brought before them in the numerous occasions since ruling. And given the public support Roe v. Wade has enjoyed in poll after poll, it seems most people, like most Supreme Court Justices in the past half-century, believe was interpreted correctly.
NaturalBeautyQueen · 41-45, F
@TinyViolins me thoughts exactly. This is only the beginning.
StrictSouthernHOH · 46-50, M
@Chrisy3 Blame your state's legislators if they don't vote how you want on abortion bills, then vote them out of office. The SCOTUS simply and correctly ruled that there is no federal right to an abortion in the U.S. constitution and they gave each state the right to determine abortion rights for its citizens. That is democracy working as it should. In 1973, the SCOTUS negated the 10th amendment and took from the people the right to determine what is right for them regarding abortion.
StrictSouthernHOH · 46-50, M
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Bertie · 46-50, F
@TinyViolins Oh, it goes deeper than just 9 people. 😔 Politics is a game with the politicians as puppets. We need to get at the ones hiding behind the certain.....like on the wizard of oz!