Why are people saying trans women are female and trans men are male?

Gender dysphoria is a real condition related to gender and sexuality. While trans women and trans men are women and men socially, neurologically and legally. They are not biologically the opposite sex. So why say they are? You can respect someone’s gender identity but still believe biological facts as well.

That’s like saying someone like me who an intersex woman is 100% female woman. I’m biologically a hermaphrodite sure I have a woman’s body and brain but mixed gonads and karyotype. I identify as a woman and live as a woman I’m mostly female and everyone treats me like a female but I’m a little bit male because my biology says so. Regarding biology doesn’t take away from my gender, but I’m still intersex. Why is stating science now considered transphobia?

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Burke17 · 61-69, M

There is no complexity to this discussion. XX XY. Not hard to understand. If it is, you didn't study at all in school.

NerdyPotato ·

@Burke17 what about XXY, X', XXX, and so on? And how is it useful to make a distinction based on something you can't determine without a lab test most people never had?

Burke17 · 61-69, M

@NerdyPotato Standard answer that normally comes from those with a liberal orientation. So, here is my standard response to it. Those supposedly existing combinations don't occur at a statistically significant amount. In fact, there is some debate about the validity of them. In terms of math, and significance, XX and XY are the correct answers. I just shake my head. Why do we even have debate about this topic? It is very clearly defined, and completely understood.

NerdyPotato ·

@Burke17 thanks for at least acknowledging that other variations do exist. And yes, if you ignore the exceptions, sex is binary indeed, and if you ignore poisonous things, everything in nature is edible. By not covering all of reality, such statements become rather meaningless though.

NerdyPotato ·

@Burke17 with your logic, the atoms in our galaxy are also binary: there's hydrogen and helium. The amount of oxygen and others is insignificant.

zonavar68 · 56-60, M

@Burke17 Indeed - DNA defines a person's gender. As Elwoodblues rightly says there can be anomalies with that, but that is extremely rare and the chance that a person with one of those anomalies also chooses to 'assume' a different gender is ultra highly statistically rare.

ElwoodBlues · M

@zonavar68 A 2019 paper states that same-sex sexual behavior in animals has been observed in over 1,500 species.
Monk, Julia D.; Giglio, Erin; Kamath, Ambika; Lambert, Max R.; McDonough, Caitlin E. (December 2019). "An alternative hypothesis for the evolution of same-sex sexual behaviour in animals". Nature Ecology and Evolution. 3 (12): 1622–1631.
abstract https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2019NatEE...3.1622M/abstract

That kills the assumption that DNA alone determines attraction. If homosexual attraction is so common in the animal world, why not transgender behavior as well? Why do you assume all gendered behavior depends entirely on DNA??

zonavar68 · 56-60, M

@ElwoodBlues I never claimed that DNA coding linked to attraction traits. Just that DNA coding fixes a person's gender and a transgender person is illegitimate in assuming a different gender.

ElwoodBlues · M

@zonavar68 Isn't sexual attraction a major gender trait?

Burke17 · 61-69, M

@ElwoodBlues Attraction is merely a feeling. It applies to all. XX XY. That is scientific fact. Believe whatever you want, but don't ask normal people to do so.

NerdyPotato ·

@Burke17 "normal" as in those who ignore science and believe whatever makes their lives easiest rather than what's real? You're absolutely right that's quite common, but I think calling that "normal" and thereby implying those acknowledging reality are abnormal, is rather polarizing, ignorant and harmful.