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Why are people saying trans women are female and trans men are male?

Gender dysphoria is a real condition related to gender and sexuality. While trans women and trans men are women and men socially, neurologically and legally. They are not biologically the opposite sex. So why say they are? You can respect someone’s gender identity but still believe biological facts as well.

That’s like saying someone like me who an intersex woman is 100% female woman. I’m biologically a hermaphrodite sure I have a woman’s body and brain but mixed gonads and karyotype. I identify as a woman and live as a woman I’m mostly female and everyone treats me like a female but I’m a little bit male because my biology says so. Regarding biology doesn’t take away from my gender, but I’m still intersex. Why is stating science now considered transphobia?
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Burke17 · 61-69, M
@22Michelle You just stated another feeling. XX XY. Fact. Facts don't care about your feelings. Feel as you must. Don't ask the rest of us to do so.
22Michelle · 70-79, T
@Burke17 And you can't pick and choose "facts" just because you don't like some of them.
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@Burke17 says, regarding XXY, X0, and other unusual chromosome combinations
Those supposedly existing combinations don't occur at a statistically significant amount. In fact, there is some debate about the validity of them. In terms of math, and significance, XX and XY are the correct answers.

I get it! According to your "logic,"
☸ Geniuses don't exist because they're statistically insignificant!
☸ 7'+ people who excel at basketball don't exist because they're statistically insignificant!
☸ Billionaires don't exist because they're statistically insignificant!
☸ Centenarians don't exist because they're statistically insignificant!

@NerdyPotato Nice work with the elements necessary for life! In fact, on the scale of the universe, life itself doesn't exist, according to @Burke17's argument, because it's statistically insignificant!
Jessmari · 46-50
Biology and where it stands is fine. Bringing it up every time someone asks to be referred to a certain way is just antagonistic.
greencompass · 36-40, F
I think I followed what you wrote.

How would you define transphobia exactly..?
zonavar68 · 56-60, M
@greencompass That's not the topic. The topic is that apart from a tiny (almost zero) portion of humans that have DNA anomalies with their gender coding, DNA defines a person's gender as either male or female and that cannot (without any science currently available) be changed. So if a male chooses to assume female gender, and vice versa, they are not actually those 'assumed' genders. Likewise if a person chooses to assume 'non-binary' (ie. no defined gender) their DNA still defines if they are actually male or female.
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zonavar68 · 56-60, M
Dna says if a person is male or female - not 'feelings'.
@zonavar68 You've checked the chromosomes of every transgender person? Including testing multiple tissues for absorbed twin syndrome or other forms of genetic mosaicism?

zonavar68 · 56-60, M
@ElwoodBlues Do you have any scientific evidence to say that DNA can change in cells of a living human based an 'assumption' of a gender ?
So I'll take that as a NO, you did NOT check and DNA of ANY transgender people, and certainly didn't test multiple tissues for absorbed twin syndrome or other forms of genetic mosaicism. We actually know very little about how common genetic mosaicism is.

@zonavar68 says
Do you have any scientific evidence to say that DNA can change in cells of a living human based an 'assumption' of a gender ?
Nope. Do you have any scientific evidence that sexual;ty depends entirely on DNA and nothing else?

BTW, a 2019 paper states that same-sex sexual behavior in animals has been observed in over 1,500 species.
Monk, Julia D.; Giglio, Erin; Kamath, Ambika; Lambert, Max R.; McDonough, Caitlin E. (December 2019). "An alternative hypothesis for the evolution of same-sex sexual behaviour in animals". Nature Ecology and Evolution. 3 (12): 1622–1631.
abstract https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2019NatEE...3.1622M/abstract

If homosexual behavior is so common in the animal world, why not transgender behavior as well? Why do you assume all gendered behavior depends entirely on DNA??
Infamous607 · 51-55, M
Then it surprises that you still don't understand the difference between gender and genetic make up.
Who is saying that trans women are biologically female? And what does that even mean?
Burke17 · 61-69, M
There is no complexity to this discussion. XX XY. Not hard to understand. If it is, you didn't study at all in school.
@zonavar68 Isn't sexual attraction a major gender trait?
Burke17 · 61-69, M
@ElwoodBlues Attraction is merely a feeling. It applies to all. XX XY. That is scientific fact. Believe whatever you want, but don't ask normal people to do so.
@Burke17 "normal" as in those who ignore science and believe whatever makes their lives easiest rather than what's real? You're absolutely right that's quite common, but I think calling that "normal" and thereby implying those acknowledging reality are abnormal, is rather polarizing, ignorant and harmful.
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