Can I present as male, but identify as female?

@silkydrawers you still look for any opportunity to flash pics whenever you can aye. You can dress however you want but you still present yourself as you are and that being male

@Torsten Easy on the hate speech, bro...

@LordShadowfire I dont consider that hate speech at all. He said so himself that he hides no fact that he is a male 🤷‍♂️

@Torsten Biological sex and gender are two separate things. She said she PRESENTS as male. And do you know what woke actually means? It's being aware of the suffering/oppression of groups or communities, even if you don't belong to them.

@LordShadowfire i disagree. Sex and gender has been split to push a narrative and nothing more.
People are free to disagree of course and think what they think. I dont try to shove my views onto anyone and i expect the same back.
He said he likes to present as female while not hiding the fact he is male. basically, i take that as crossdressing.
Now if he said he feels he is a women and lives as one, I would respect that and refer to him as she. But that was not the case, so I dont see where you are getting what I have said as hate speech.
That is not "woke" that is just empathy. No need to put that dumb label on a already existing word.
When i hear the word "woke" i take that as forced diversity and intolerance towards anyone that does not share certain peoples same beliefs because that is what it has become

@Torsten Nope. There's been actual research done that indicates brain structure has more to do with gender than previously assumed. Biological males who identify as female tend to have brain structure better resembling an average female than a male. If you give me time, I can re-locate the scholarly article from which I got that info.

Only because that's what the far right has turned it into through misuse.

@LordShadowfire @LordShadowfire I have heard that before to a extent but that doesnt change anything as far as i am concerned. mentality does not change physicality.
I will refer to those as they wish to a certain extent though and i treat those with respect till given reason to be otherwise but I cant just ignore reality. i cant

the left turned it into that. Not all but those on the extreme side of it.
The right have referred to it as being "woke" though for sure but when most of the times the left bring up "woke" it normally goes that same path.
the far left and far right are just as bad as one another

@Torsten So you choose to ignore physical evidence of differing brain structure in cases of gender dysphoria because it doesn't fit your narrative, intentionally conflate it with mentality, and then you have the sheer gall to say you're NOT ignoring reality?😆

Still no. You have been listening to the right a bit too much.

Just sayin'. The left weren't the ones who corrupted it.

Beg to differ, sir. I didn't see members of the far left committing insurrection on January 6th.

@LordShadowfire No i dont ignore gender dysphoria at all. Its a very real mental illness and it would be a horrible thing to go through life with i imagine. What i cant ignore is full on developed men or women trying to claim they are in fact the opposite gender and there is no difference between them and biological women.
or the new thing of if you wont date a trans person, you're a bigot.. Its stuff like that I can not get behind because its trying to get the majority to ignore reality.
As i said though I will refer to people as they wish and treat them as they wish but I can not ignore reality being that they are a male or a female living as the opposite gender.

maybe but i think the same could be said for you with the left

nope but i am sure you seen them rioting and burning down cities several months before hand that resulted in millions of dollars in damage, many assaults, several deaths and small businesses being shut down for good.

@Torsten Okay, so once again, you're ignoring the physiological causes and calling it a
Oh? I'd like to meet one of these people. The ones I meet recognize that there's a physical difference, and always will be until medical science advances a bit more.

Yeah, that's dumb. I'll give you that.

Name a city they've burned down. Name one.

@LordShadowfire gender dysphoria was for the longest of time considered a mental illness and only recently said its not but lets be truthful here. It still very much is.
Saying its a mental illness does not discredit those going through it like some seem to believe

come on, you're in that left bubble. I am sure you have heard the whole thing of Trans women are women and no differences between them hence why they should be able to compete against biological women in sports for example

glad we could agree on one thing

you get what i am saying with the burn down cities. Did they full on burn them down? no. They set fires though didnt they that were no small thing. Weird how you focus just on that and ignore the rest. If youre going to bring up that January 6th stuff but defend or ignore those riots, I wont even bother having a conversation about it because it just shows a clear cut bias.

@Torsten https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7415463/
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11682-019-00121-8
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S030645301500030X

Just sayin'.

Who says I'm ignoring or defending it? I'm saying it's not as bad as literally turning on the federal government during the counting of votes because you literally cannot handle the fact that your candidate lost. The minute, and I mean THE VERY MINUTE, somebody does that after a Democratic candidate loses, I will agree with you that both sides are equally awful.

@LordShadowfire January 6th was incredibly dumb but its been so overblown like Pelosi saying its the new September 11 or some other dumb shit like that.
One girl died and that was due to a police officer.
Those riots went on for a month or several i believe and there was many casualties and it was all because a criminal high as hell resisted arrest and some dumb ass cops didnt keep him restrained when he was put in the back of the police car.
Both are equally pathetic but one was far worse when it comes to damage and lives that were lost

@Torsten It was a literal insurrection. An attempt to overturn the election results by fear and intimidation. If you don't consider that serious, you can leave my country.
And well over 140 police officers were injured, several of whom died later.
And one was far worse when it came to actually committing insurrection, AKA treason, against the federal government. But I guess you consider that okay.

@LordShadowfire I never said it was not serious. I said it has been overblown to try and compare it to September 11th. And when the left go on about the right doing it yet ignore and make excuses for full on riots that lasted months due to their part, I find it all idiotic.
Also I am not in YOUR country. Thankfully

so police lives all of a sudden matter? because the narrative was very different not long before that with those riots.
This is my point on people and politics. its all-hypocritical childish bullshit and nobody really stands for anything. Its just us vs them bullshit

never said i consider it okay but I would be lying if i said i give two shits about the government.

@Torsten Maybe, but underplaying it by comparing it to a small percentage of the protesters starting fires and assaulting civilians proves that you have no sense of balance on this issue. Committing arson or assault is by no means comparable to committing insurrection or treason.

Wrong. Police in this country have historically been known to serve the powers that be and the wealthy just a bit more than they serve the rest of us, but that doesn't mean anybody thought that they should be killed.

You're the one sitting there putting words in my mouth. I'm just trying to explain to you that reality isn't as you see it, with the truth being an exact center point between the American right and the American left.

Could have fooled me. You could easily pass for a Republican if you came here.

Okay, fair enough. But you're considering insurrection to only be as bad as arson or assault. That's what I take exception to.

@LordShadowfire you conveniently left out the deaths that occurred during it. Yeah I consider months of riots to be worse than a day storming the capital for sure.
many more casualties and lives ruined due to those riots and for what? Black lives matter? common knowledge now that was all a scam.
I am not underplaying January 6th. All i am saying is when the left mention that to demonize the right, i find it incredibly hypocritical of them when those same people make excuses for those riots.
And yeah I put more value on everyday people compared to those in the Government because they sure do the same to us, so fuck em

seems as if we have done that to one another in this convo and for my part in it, my apologies

dont need to be American to be a Republican. For the record though, I am neither right or left. I truly hate politics because no matter what side you're on or who is running shit, We lose.
granted I am more right leaning as I consider my views to be more tradition, but I also disagree a lot with certain things that the right support.
The left I dislike due to this constant victim culture and trying to censor anything they dislike.
Gender identity politics are also a issue with me for said reasons.
I have no issue with LGBTQ people in general though. Its the radicals i cant stand

@Torsten The occasional murder was committed by some of the protesters, who were most definitely in the extreme minority, yes. Not so many as folks like you like to imagine.
It wasn't months of riots. It was months of protests, with the occasional riot breaking out during the protests. But what do I know? I only live right near Portland.

I don't think I've done that, but if I did, I apologize.

Like what? Racial slurs? Homophobic speech? We've got literal Nazis in this country, whereas in Germany, where the whole movement started, it's illegal to even say something positive about Nazis.

Look, I don't know what the law is where you are, but here, freedom of speech means you don't go to jail for saying something dumb. It doesn't mean there aren't consequences for going all Qanon conspiracy freak and publishing your 10 page essay on why the Jews are the most evil thing since paper cuts. The only cancel culture I see in my everyday life is from the right, trying to prevent gay people from being honest about themselves, and trying to ban the teaching of the history of racism in this country. Hell, you want to see cancel culture? Texas is trying to pass a law banning everybody under 18 from any kind of social media. I could go on all night about who is trying to cancel whom, particularly as I'm stoned off my ass, but I think I'll move on.

Yeah, well, they were pretty much censored out of existence for the longest time, so it's to be expected that they're going to be louder than needed. I'm sure they'll settle down.

@LordShadowfire you like to minimalize it a lot it seems and no, anyway participating in those riots.. ohh wait sorry, "protests" were on the radical side

that sounds a lot like damage control and deflecting from what actually went on

you did the moment you tried saying i thought the January 6th stuff was okay

and this is a problem. The left have watered down what being a actual Nazi is. Say anything these days and you're labelled as a Nazi. I cant tell you how many times i myself have been called just that on this site along from leftist morons.
Being a Nazi means absolutely nothing because its all fabricated to demean those who think different.
You saying I was saying hate speech earlier is a good example of that

@Torsten Right. I'm sure you had a great view of what was going on from Norway. A much better one than I did here in Portland. My mistake.

Oh, Jesus fucking Christ. What the hell would you call a bunch of Trump loving inbreds with SWASTIKA FLAGS? Hell, there's even anti-Semitic conspiracy crackpots right here on this website. You think I'm speaking in hyperbole? You think I'm watering it down? I've been called a traitor to the white race by these people.

But you were using hate speech. Which brings me back around my original point, which you've been dodging for hours. Sex is determined by external physiological features. Gender is determined by brain structure. Neither of those are mental, in the sense that you use the word.