I like how Conservapedia lists George Orwell on their list of conservative authors
I think that entire website is just satire, yea?
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DrWatson · 70-79, M
It's been a long time since I have read Orwell.
But isn't Animal Farm a criticism of a socialist revolution that strove to make "all animals equal" but ended declaring that "some animals are more equal than others?"
And I do recall in 1984, that part of the propaganda that students saw in Big Brother's history books, was the depiction of evil capitalists as fat greedy men and how grateful we all should be that Big Brother has gotten rid of capitalists. The reader is not expected to sympathize with that depiction.
I am not sure if i would call Orwell conservative, but I think conservatives can find things in Orwell that they will like.
But isn't Animal Farm a criticism of a socialist revolution that strove to make "all animals equal" but ended declaring that "some animals are more equal than others?"
And I do recall in 1984, that part of the propaganda that students saw in Big Brother's history books, was the depiction of evil capitalists as fat greedy men and how grateful we all should be that Big Brother has gotten rid of capitalists. The reader is not expected to sympathize with that depiction.
I am not sure if i would call Orwell conservative, but I think conservatives can find things in Orwell that they will like.
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@DrWatson Animal Farm is absolutely a critique of Marxism and the Soviet style of communism.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@SumKindaMunster It's a critique of Stalinism specifically. You can hate Stalin and still be left wing.
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@CountScrofula I don't really care what you think.
DrWatson · 70-79, M
@CountScrofula Yes. I am wondering if he advocated for truly democratic socialism, in the form supported by some political parties in Western European parliaments, and he was critical of totalitarian regimes like the Soviet Union that , in his view, started with a socialist philosophy and then corrupted it.
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SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@CountScrofula Oh look, he does reply! All I had to do was insult you instead of responding to you relevantly.
Good to know. 👍
Good to know. 👍
BohemianBoo · M
@DrWatson [quote]But isn't Animal Farm a criticism of a socialist revolution that strove to make "all animals equal" but ended declaring that "some animals are more equal than others?"[/quote]
Animal Farm was a criticism of Tankies. Orwell was basically saying that Bolshevism and Maoism were forms of Authoritarianism, they just used left-wing imagery.
Animal Farm was a criticism of Tankies. Orwell was basically saying that Bolshevism and Maoism were forms of Authoritarianism, they just used left-wing imagery.
DrWatson · 70-79, M
@BohemianBoo Or perhaps that the original impetus for each of those movements was sincere, but that it soon got corrupted once individuals seized power.
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BohemianBoo · M
@DrWatson That's what a lot of Leftists say, but I have to disagree. The Bolsheviks didn't come to power democratically, they did so tyrannically. And the most important part of Socialism is Democracy. Plus, while Lenin did a lot of good things, he was still a dictator who ran an oppressive state. It's not like the USSR was established by Socialists and then it degenerated into Tankies, they were Tankies from the start.