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Christopher Columbus' true motivations

Everyone already knows that Christopher Columbus was a genocidal maniac, so there's no point in going into detail. What many people don't know is that he was under strict orders from King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella to not "bother or upset" the Native Americans, and certainly not to enslave them and force them to mine gold for Columbus to steal. There was a prohibition at that time against enslaving Christians, and the goal was to convert the Natives to Christianity, so oppressing them would have been counterproductive.

What's lesser known is the real purpose of Columbus' voyage. It was not, as commonly thought, merely to find a faster route to China for the space trade. Following the Ottoman's capture of Constantinople in 1453, the Silk Road was closed to Europeans. On top of that, the Mamluks had controlled Jerusalem since defeating the Mongols in 1260, and would not be ousted by the Ottomans until 1516. Marco Polo had described the Great Khan as amenable to Christianity. There was also an old legend of Prester John, a Christian king in the far east. Columbus' dream was to convert the Great Khan to Christianity, find Prester John, and convince them to join the Europeans on a crusade to liberate the Holy Land. His explorations were primarily motivated by religion, although he did negotiate one-tenth of any proceeds from spice or gold for himself. Columbus was eventually recalled to Spain when reports of his brutality toward the Natives reached the crown.

Although the Italian peninsula was known by that name, Columbus wouldn't have thought of himself as "Italian" as the country of Italy did not exist at that time. He was from Genoa and would have considered himself Genoese. His native language was not Italian, but Ligurian, which had significant influence from French.
Carazaa · F
Columbus was a Christian, yes, but not perfect.

, Columbus wrote about his love for Jesus Christ and his gratitude for God’s forgiveness –
“I am only a most unworthy sinner, but ever since I have cried out for grace and mercy from the Lord, they have covered me completely. I have found the most delightful comfort in making it my whole aim in life to enjoy his marvelous presence.”
@Carazaa 🤦‍♂️ That makes no sense. But you are determined to give a free pass to one of history's most vile monsters. By your own logic Hitler gets a pass because he wrote pretty words about Jesus and the church too. That seems to be the only criteria to get away with mass murder, genocide and slavery.
Carazaa · F
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Don't compare Columbus with Hitler! That is ridiculous! I am done with this discussion! Have a nice day!
@Carazaa They are the same kind of men. Not my fault if your feelings refuse to allow you to admit the truth. Suggesting otherwise is just hypocrisy.
Northwest · M
Isabella and Ferdinand, approved Columbus's journey, to locate a direct, maritime spice route to India. They, Columbus included, did not realize there was a continent along the way.

When he failed to find spices, Columbus tried to salvage the journey, by taking captives and gold back, and promising a steady supply of both.

Isabella wanted to turn them Christian, something Columbus promised he would do, and Ferdinand wanted the gold, something Columbus promised. And yes, he was a Ligurian speaking Genovese. The concept of modern states had not developed at the time.

But Columbus day is what Columbus day is, and Italians may consider it an insult if you associate it with slavery, and rape natural resources.
@Northwest Columbus' first mistake was to confuse the shorter Roman mile with the modern mile, considerably underestimating the distance. Eratosthenes had calculated the earth's circumference to remarkable accuracy thousands of years earlier. Several of the advisors to the monarchs Columbus approached first before going to Ferdinand and Isabella told him that China was much too far to reach by ocean, even without knowing that there was a continent in the way.

You are correct about the spice trade, but from Columbus' own writings, it was clear that his main goal was to enlist the Great Khan and Prester John in a Crusade to free the Holy Land from the Mamluks.

I get how Italian-Americans view Columbus Day as an honor; there was a Sopranos episode about this. It makes no sense that Italians get a federal holiday when Germans don't. There are far more Americans of German descent than Italian. We can keep Columbus Day if they want, but it shouldn't be a federal holiday; it should be like St. Patrick's Day or Cinco de Mayo that commemorate those ethnic groups but aren't official holidays.
Northwest · M
@LeopoldBloom He had a letter from Ferdinand and Isabella, who were seeking to establish a direct relationship with Cathay (China) and the Great Khan. He was convinced, when he reached Cuba, that he was at what Marco Polo described as Quinsay (Hangchow), and dispatched a team to deliver the Royal letter to the Great Khan. There are the facts, but it's hard to second-guess what each person was thinking.

I don't think Columbus Day should be a national holiday, but it seemed like to should, when I was growing up in the San Francisco area. But it should be the same as St Patrick's day.
@Northwest Ferdinand and Isabella were interested in another spice route. The Crusade angle was just Columbus.
FDR made Columbus Day a national holiday in 1937, largely in response to lobbying by the Knights of Columbus.


The explorer's birth name is Cristoforo Colombo; I prefer that to the anglicized "Columbus."
@ElwoodBlues It's not anglicized; it's Latinized. Latin was still enough in scholarly use for people to Latinize their names or for others to Latinize it for them. Other examples would be Confucius, whose Chinese name was Kung Fu-Tse, or Averroes whose Arabic name was Ibn Rushd. If we were anglicizing Columbus' name, it would be "Christopher Dove."
Carazaa · F
@LeopoldBloom No Christofer Smith maybe 😂
@Carazaa "Columbus" means "dove" in Latin. The Italian version is "Columbo."
BackyardShaman · 61-69, M
Yes, his ships came so close to falling off the edge of the Earth, which was shaped like a box back then. But the present day GOP president Trump and his staff traveled back in time and made the Earth round to save him, and save Merica. They also got naked Venezuelan women for him and his crew, and served them pigs in a blanket and Swedish meatballs, this is how Walmart was invented then in the West Indianas. NOTE: NOT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY BY ANY REASONABLE PERSON!!
@BackyardShaman And then Columbus' countryman Ron DeSatan sent the Venezuelans to Martha's Vineyard.
BackyardShaman · 61-69, M
dancingtongue · 80-89, M
Although the Italian peninsula was known by that name, Columbus wouldn't have thought of himself as "Italian" as the country of Italy did not exist at that time. He was from Genoa and would have considered himself Genoese. His native language was not Italian, but Ligurian, which had significant influence from French.

And he was trained in seafaring and navigation by the Portuguese. In short, he was a mercenary.

On the West Coast of the U.S. we have a similar phenomenon with Juan Cabrillo, who "discovered" -- more accurately, explored -- the entire coast. There is a major monument to him in San Diego as the Spanish discoverer of San Diego Bay because he was sailing under Spain's flag from Mexico at that time. At the base is a brass plaque from the Portuguese consulate politely pointing out that he was Portuguese, not Spanish. Interestingly, if you Google him today they more accurately identify him as Iberian, for the peninsula of his birth rather than his nationality. But Bing and other sources will still tell you he was the Spanish discoverer.
dancingtongue · 80-89, M
@MarmeeMarch Well, what is Italy today. I never contested that. But he did train at Prince Henry's school of navigation in Portugal as did most of the European seafaring explorers of the era because he had embraced the navigational tools developed in the East and Middle East.
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@MarmeeMarch Nobody is saying Columbus was a dummy. He was an intelligent, learned, and refined genocidal maniac.
Kind of makes you wonder how he didn't end up on the chopping block for directly disobeying the crown and hijacking their expedition to chase myths and legends.
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow He did at least go to prison.
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@MarmeeMarch I thought you were against interracial relations since you hate everyone who isn't white. You're probably uncomfortable if a Swede and a Norwegian have kids.
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@MarmeeMarch I’m not from Georgia, I grew up in Los Angeles. And in case you haven’t noticed, slavery ended here a while ago. We also have a Black senator unlike wherever you live.

 
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