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The truth about flu shots and vaccines?

What's your opinion on it? I hear a lot about it on both sides, both for and against. It's a very controversial subject, but I'm just interested in everyone's opinions. How has it affected you or someone you love? Have you had an experience with it?

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hunkalove · 61-69, M

The only flu shot I've had was in 1976 when we were supposed to have a Swine Flu epidemic. More people died from the shot than from the flu.

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Earthwrap · 41-45, M

@TwiddlerofThumbs I found a CDC citation for this I posted below.

hunkalove · 61-69, M

@TwiddlerofThumbs Thank you, Twiddler. I remember it from newspapers and TV when it happened.

TwiddlerofThumbs · F

@hunkalove No problem. I was an infant when it happened and really knew nothing about it until you mentioned it.

CountScrofula · 41-45, M

Vaccines have absolutely affected people I love.

My grandfather had mumps, which rendered him infertile and thus my mother was an only child.

Mumps is now preventable with a vaccine.

My mother is a polio survivor, she spent almost her entire childhood in the hospital and now has severe scoliosis.

Polio is now preventable with a vaccine.

And they were [i]very lucky[/i], the both of them. Because before vaccines, when you got sick, you often just died.

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CountScrofula · 41-45, M

@MrBrownstone Herd immunity. If a certain percentage of the population is not immunized the diseases spread.

For example, you can't vaccinate babies. So to prevent babies from getting life-threatening illnesses, you want to make sure enough people around the babies are immune.

MrBrownstone · 46-50, M

@CountScrofula Your example is not true.

CountScrofula · 41-45, M

@MrBrownstone Well you sure convinced me.

I'm not sure what you're arguing?

TwiddlerofThumbs · F

I would rather take my chances with a vaccine than die, or let my child die from the diseases they were meant to stop.

bijouxbroussard · F

I haven't had the flu since I've been getting flu shots, about 12 years now. But adults have the right to decide for themselves.
In terms of general vaccinations, I do think kids who can be vaccinated should be before they can attend school with other children. If they're going to be homeschooled, perhaps it doesn't matter so much. But because of a now global society, diseases that had disappeared in the U.S. are now making a resurgence, and children deserved to be protected.

Earthwrap · 41-45, M

If we actually lived in a free country people would have the choice to get them or not get them. It's ridiculous forcing people to get them when almost all of the studies are funded by the mega pharmaceutical companies creating them.

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Earthwrap · 41-45, M

@bijouxbroussard Yes and your vaccinated children won't infect other children. You really can't say any of this for sure. You are basically just repeating what other people said. I doubt you have a degree in immunology or even know the difference between IgE IgM IgG IgA mediated resopnses. Also maybe take a social justice class and realize that you don't have a choice when public school is free and private or home school isn't. There is such a thing as having a choice without really having a choice. Good luck going to college too and getting that degree that is required for certain higher paying jobs without mandatory vaccinations.

Earthwrap · 41-45, M

@bijouxbroussard " That way they won't risk infecting other people's children, who also have rights." You got to be kidding me here. How about my right not to breath the exhaust of your car then? lol But feel free to go out on that limb of an argument. With that said, it is within my right to block you and not waste my time on this conversation anymore that is more complicated than I feel you have considered.

bijouxbroussard · F

@Earthwrap And you're basically repeating what fear-mongers and conspiracy theorists believe, although if you [b]do[/b] have a degree in immunology (mine was in education and I was a public school teacher for awhile), then I'll gladly listen. I'm not trying to have an argument here, and I'm speaking respectfully. But in my state after several measles outbreaks that put kids in danger, this became law.

HerKing · 61-69, M

Ahh bless religion. It brings out the most mind numbingly willfully stupid in some people. No, it isn't fake news.

Anti-vaccine community behind North Carolina chickenpox outbreak - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46267038

[quote]A North Carolina school with a large anti-vaccine community is at the heart of the state's largest chickenpox outbreak in decades, officials say.[/quote]

HerKing · 61-69, M

Bring back smallpox...Oh wait. No-one died from measles...Erm, actually yes they do, horribly. And Whooping cough... Natural selection and no vaccines will kill a huge swathe of the Earth's human population, but some think that's okay...Cos free will.

bijouxbroussard · F

@HerKing Hey, there ! Good to see you.

HerKing · 61-69, M

@bijouxbroussard you too

Earthwrap · 41-45, M

I acquired severe autoimmunity after having a vaccination related to my job. Was it the cause? I can't prove it. I will not risk my health and we should live in a free country where people have the choice to risk their health on these things. I have lost all trust in corporations inventing and handing them out.

MarkPaul · 26-30, M

I personally don't get one, but don't fault anyone if they do. Most people, I find, over-inflate their need for medical attention. Of course, I don't want to get sick, but when it happens, it's kind of amazing that human biology was constructed to fight many things on its own.

Repete · 61-69, M

I've never had one . The ones that make the vaccine has it made , if you don't get the flu the shot worked and if you get it they say that's a different flu . How can they be wrong ? I'll take my chances without the shot thank you. That's just my opinion .

Mbingh01 · 61-69, F

I retired from a hospital. We had to get them every year, it was mandatory. I will not get another one. I have gotten sick from the shot on more than one occasion.

Earthwrap · 41-45, M

@Mbingh01 I got sick the two times I got a flu vaccine growing up. I stopped getting them. I don't know why the hell I chose to get a different kind of vaccination from my employer as an adult though. It may be responsible for almost killing me. They convinced me through fear. Fear is a very powerful thing to get people to make poor choices.
ANd guess what? I eat health and have a healthy lifestyle now and haven't been sick in about 8 years. And I have been around a few very sick people.

TeirdalinFirefall · 31-35, M

The experience I had with it is that I didn't get any major diseases.

Not sure a bunch of conspiracy theorists and gullible idiots claiming that vaccines give you [DISEASE] and that faith in god cures it; are really all that insightful of a source of information.

MrBrownstone · 46-50, M

It is used to control the population. Bill gates has said it makes girls sterile.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWzmqe5bwf8

TwiddlerofThumbs · F

@MrBrownstone lol

Earthwrap · 41-45, M

This guy has a lot to say about vaccines and a few thousand peer reviewed citations. https://www.youtube.com/user/johnbchiro/videos

Fernie · F

It seems the vast majority of people benefit from the flu shot. Some of us get sick right after having it. Not the shot so much as the person getting it I guess

Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M

I'm not afraid of vaccines and I also believe in choice, screw the group

Earthwrap · 41-45, M

@Jackaloftheazuresand https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/12/1/05-1007_article "but the consensus, based on the intensified surveillance for GBS (and other conditions) in recipients of the vaccines, was that the number of cases of GBS appeared to be an excess." In other words, they found a statistically significant difference in the vaccine recipients and developing Guillain-Barré Syndrome

MartinTheFirst · 26-30, M

I believe that beyond the necessary, yearly vaccines is a crap shoot, and some vaccines are poorly calculated such as the swine flu shot. The shot alone killed more where I lived than the actual swine flu did.

ImperialAerosolKidFromEP · 46-50, M

I definitely don't buy into anti-vaxers' arguments, but the name-calling and smugness from the other side makes me wonder what they're so insecure about

bijouxbroussard · F

@ImperialAerosolKidFromEP I haven't called any names. But it's kind of like speaking with the flat earthers, especially if you can remember when there [b]weren't[/b] vaccines for some illnesses.

ImperialAerosolKidFromEP · 46-50, M

@bijouxbroussard see, another part of the problem is that the anti-anti-vaxers don't think they can go too far by comparing anti-vaxers to flat Earthers. I don't know where to begin with what's wrong with flat Earth arguments. But it's easy to begin with what's [i] right[/i] about anti-vaxers (even if, in the end, they are wrong)

Lilnonames · F

Why get the flu from a shot when u dont get it naturally.its a crock of sh.t

indyjoe · 56-60, M

@Lilnonames You CANNOT get the flu from the shot...The shot is made from a dead virus. If someone get the flu shortly after getting the shot it is only because they were already exposed to the live virus before getting the shot. It takes about 30 days for the shot to take affect so a person is still vulnerable for a month afterward if exposed.

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