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redredred · M
Who says your logic is up to understanding the universe? Isn't that fairly pretentious to assume that the universe must make sense to you and the only answer that you can understand must be right?
I'm sorry but there could easily be some limits to human understanding and the origin of the universe might just be such a limit.
I'm sorry but there could easily be some limits to human understanding and the origin of the universe might just be such a limit.
I reconciled the whole 'omniscience paradox' and the fuzzy math, and the unanswered questions by blindly accepting fundamentalist dogma' doctrine, and history. It helped me immensely! Now I have a script! If someone challenges anything I say, I just say it again louder! Piece of cake!
@purplepen I usually just go with the highest bidder! (I hope you don't think I'm playing the devil's advocate, because neither God nor satan need an advocate.) I believe "the power of the air" separates the chaff from the grain. The threshers would have a hell of a time without the air to move the chaff away from the wheat!
"These things must needs be come to pass, but woe be unto him by whom they come to pass."
"These things must needs be come to pass, but woe be unto him by whom they come to pass."
SW-User
Yes, this is the "first cause" argument: everything that begins to exist has something that caused it to exist.
Unless the universe itself is what has always existed. If we accept the possibility of an infinite creator, there could also be an infinite universe.
Unless the universe itself is what has always existed. If we accept the possibility of an infinite creator, there could also be an infinite universe.
Nobody said "it created itself". So, ergo, your entire premise here is rendered moot.
Both astronomers and cosmologists say they don't know why or how it was created.
Both astronomers and cosmologists say they don't know why or how it was created.
SW-User
What's good to claim of God is also good to claim of nature. Nature always was. God is a recent invention.
SomeHand · 31-35, M
@SW-User I’m just talking about the fact that if something is created the natural conclusion is that something or someone created it. Why don’t you understand?
SomeHand · 31-35, M
@SW-User please stop imposing your view of God on this. Your view of God is unbelievable and you do not believe in God
SW-User
@SomeHand You made a false and harmful statement that nature must be created by an intelligence. I'm helping you to see past your false assumption and guide you towards fair assessment.
To say that you've made a logical conclusion is a damnable lie in betrayal to Mankind. Shame on you!
To say that you've made a logical conclusion is a damnable lie in betrayal to Mankind. Shame on you!
HE is the sole creator and destroyer of all things. HE has no form and therefore HE is said to be that Eternal light that is ever-flowing all around us.
Tastyfrzz · 61-69, M
When you dream do the characters in it wonder about their existence? I haven't seen the dog contemplating the universe either.
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DDonde · 31-35, M
All you've done really is move the problem of existence onto another, more abstract object. There's no reason the "universe" hasn't always existed in the same way the creator has in your example. That is to say, a creator is not inherently necessary here (although we should not exclude the possibility).