The universe must be created by one who is uncreated To believe that the universe created...

Sharky86 · 36-40, M

LOL you make it very simple. But it's not simple at all. 😁 Astronomy is cool, creation is bullshit.

Who says your logic is up to understanding the universe? Isn't that fairly pretentious to assume that the universe must make sense to you and the only answer that you can understand must be right?

I'm sorry but there could easily be some limits to human understanding and the origin of the universe might just be such a limit.

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puck61

I reconciled the whole 'omniscience paradox' and the fuzzy math, and the unanswered questions by blindly accepting fundamentalist dogma' doctrine, and history. It helped me immensely! Now I have a script! If someone challenges anything I say, I just say it again louder! Piece of cake!

SW-User

Yes, this is the "first cause" argument: everything that begins to exist has something that caused it to exist.

Unless the universe itself is what has always existed. If we accept the possibility of an infinite creator, there could also be an infinite universe.

lorelei

Nobody said "it created itself". So, ergo, your entire premise here is rendered moot.

Both astronomers and cosmologists say they don't know why or how it was created.

Vivaci

HE is the sole creator and destroyer of all things. HE has no form and therefore HE is said to be that Eternal light that is ever-flowing all around us.

SW-User

What's good to claim of God is also good to claim of nature. Nature always was. God is a recent invention.

Tastyfrzz · 61-69, M

When you dream do the characters in it wonder about their existence? I haven't seen the dog contemplating the universe either.

DDonde · 31-35, M

All you've done really is move the problem of existence onto another, more abstract object. There's no reason the "universe" hasn't always existed in the same way the creator has in your example. That is to say, a creator is not inherently necessary here (although we should not exclude the possibility).