zonavar68 · 56-60, M
It went away because women en-masse have been telling men for years they want to be 'strong and independent' and do not need men in their lives, so men have listened and do not approach women in public, do things for women anymore (including being chilvalrous), or generally engage with women socially because if a woman looks at a man and thinks he's not attractive to her, the dynamic immediately shifts and the man is regarded as a creep, pervert, and potential perpetrator of SA if he makes any attempt to try and 'signal' her or tries to start a conversation to compliment her about something.
If the woman thinks he is attractive, all her standards go out the window for a perceived 9+ 'chad' type.
Then when women don't come across those perceived 'high value' men the women 'cry foul' claiming 'where have all the good men gone' and cite the 'male loneliness epidemic', 'chopped man epidemic', etc. and berate men because they don't meet the conditions of the so-called '666-rule' of dating when any man dares to make an unsolicited approach to try and talk to a woman, or even looks at a woman 'the wrong way' (in her eyes).
Then women bring out the insane list of demands, such as no first date coffee dates, and a whole list of 'checkbox' requirements, plus how a man needs to prove his (primarily financial) worth right from the start by paying for expensive dinner dates, gifts, and outings/experiences almost from day 1.
Add in the 'its all men until its no men' attitude, where all men are considered creeps and perverts and SA perpetrators by collective inference until proven innocent and manipulable.
Combined with weaponised toxic feminism 'transactionalising' dating, and narcissism, and 'gamification' of dating due to online dating sites making selecting people to socialise with like a swiping game of Tinder, etc. based on a 0 to 10 sexual market value score.
Sorry if this offends or shocks you, but you asked, so I've given you my honest assessment of the situation based around my own personal experiences.
If the woman thinks he is attractive, all her standards go out the window for a perceived 9+ 'chad' type.
Then when women don't come across those perceived 'high value' men the women 'cry foul' claiming 'where have all the good men gone' and cite the 'male loneliness epidemic', 'chopped man epidemic', etc. and berate men because they don't meet the conditions of the so-called '666-rule' of dating when any man dares to make an unsolicited approach to try and talk to a woman, or even looks at a woman 'the wrong way' (in her eyes).
Then women bring out the insane list of demands, such as no first date coffee dates, and a whole list of 'checkbox' requirements, plus how a man needs to prove his (primarily financial) worth right from the start by paying for expensive dinner dates, gifts, and outings/experiences almost from day 1.
Add in the 'its all men until its no men' attitude, where all men are considered creeps and perverts and SA perpetrators by collective inference until proven innocent and manipulable.
Combined with weaponised toxic feminism 'transactionalising' dating, and narcissism, and 'gamification' of dating due to online dating sites making selecting people to socialise with like a swiping game of Tinder, etc. based on a 0 to 10 sexual market value score.
Sorry if this offends or shocks you, but you asked, so I've given you my honest assessment of the situation based around my own personal experiences.
bijouxbroussard · F
@NIC0LE Someone who’s apparently had some really bad experiences with women. They’ll give you an earful (eyeful).🫤
Piper · 61-69, F
Going by most modern day definitions of the word (an honorable and polite way of behaving, especially by men toward women), I don't think chivalry is dead. I've noticed that men who exhibit that trait online though, are very often referred to as "simps".
FoxyGoddess · 51-55, F
Chivalry was the code of standards that knights were to live by. That was one of the ways they gained their standings in courts and fealty contracts with the nobility.
So, when knights stopped being a thing, so did chivalry.
As for common decency and respect, I think it was gone long before I was born.
So, when knights stopped being a thing, so did chivalry.
As for common decency and respect, I think it was gone long before I was born.
bijouxbroussard · F
Good manners and consideration across the board would be much more useful today. Traditional chivalry was only afforded to women, and upper-class white women at that.
DarthInvader · 36-40, M
@bijouxbroussard You always bring up things I never thought about.
BearLeeDangLing · M
Men my age never lost it...these younger beta males today?
Too self-absorbed to know how to treat a lady.
But then again, many women today act in ways that will not garner respect.
Modesty used to be a thing too but it is now rare
Too self-absorbed to know how to treat a lady.
But then again, many women today act in ways that will not garner respect.
Modesty used to be a thing too but it is now rare
zonavar68 · 56-60, M
@BearLeeDangLing I suppose in my personal case I've been single since mid-2018 and dating isn't a 'thing' I get to do so I don't have any necessity to be chivalrous in any pseudo-romantic connectivity context. I used to do it when I was in relationships but when single it's an act that gets no 'thankyou' from anyone and women in the main react defensively when you try to do it. Respect is a two-way street as most of us eye-wide-open life-experienced people know.
BearLeeDangLing · M
@zonavar68 Well said.
I haven't been on a date myself for quite a while. The woman I was last in a relationship with passed a couple of weeks ago. Although we ended our 3-year relationship on good terms this past spring, we remained very trusted, close friends and spoke regularly.
I wasn't trying to date anyone after we split up and that applies even more right now.
I'm in no rush...I believe that the "right one" will appear when unexpected, not when you are seeking her
I haven't been on a date myself for quite a while. The woman I was last in a relationship with passed a couple of weeks ago. Although we ended our 3-year relationship on good terms this past spring, we remained very trusted, close friends and spoke regularly.
I wasn't trying to date anyone after we split up and that applies even more right now.
I'm in no rush...I believe that the "right one" will appear when unexpected, not when you are seeking her
ShepherdBard · 36-40, M
It died of natural causes and it’s bad juju to try to bring back the dead
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NIC0LE · F
@ShepherdBard But I called it? 🤔
ShepherdBard · 36-40, M
@NIC0LE shouldn’t have
NIC0LE · F
@ShepherdBard there's a lot of things I shouldn't have done and yet here we are...
SomeMichGuy · M
I was looking for a dropped handkerchief...
NIC0LE · F
@SomeMichGuy *looks for hankie to drop* 😮
SomeMichGuy · M
JimboSaturn · 56-60, M
I think we let civility, and manners die.
yestestvennaya · 26-30, F
Are you feminist?
NIC0LE · F
@yestestvennaya ?? I never knew that saying "I'm me" equated to anything other than it being the person....but go off! 🥰
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tenente · 36-40, M
Chivalry became a proxy for patriarchy and "problematic" to woke culture. I still demonstrate chivalry, leaning into courtesy
yestestvennaya · 26-30, F
@NIC0LE You are a strong and powerful woman, aren't you?
bijouxbroussard · F
@tenente There’s no such thing as ”woke” culture. 🫤
Pfuzylogic · M
It died in the late 60s.
All things are possible but it might look weird if it made a comeback.
All things are possible but it might look weird if it made a comeback.
SomeMichGuy · M
@Pfuzylogic But a LOT of Renaissance Fair costumers would be REALLY happy...
Pfuzylogic · M
@SomeMichGuy True but the sundry of role playing belies the sincerity that true chivalry requires!
butterflybaby75 · 46-50, F
We created feminism. That killed it


















