Nice idea, but I think the second part of the question doesn't follow from the first. If the actual revolutionary war hadn't happened, it's surely likely that another one, or an agreed independence settlement, would have happened sometime soon. As to the possibility that America might still be ruled by Britain, and therefore that Britain might still be the greatest world power, I find that attractive and terrifying in roughly equal measure!
Jayciedubb · 56-60, M
Well, I think by now, we would have been free anyway. I mean, by now, the sun definitely sets on the Union Jack, and most of the other places were able to do it with diplomacy. Even the English citizens are now citizens and no longer subjects.
But who knows, maybe if we never won our freedom, maybe England would have been able to do the whole manifest destiny thing here and then capitalized on all the rich resources here ...but wait. ..would France have ever sold their portion of the Americas to England at such a cheap price? I think not.
I think if there never was an American Revolution, England would've still had their small stake, which would have likely been taken by Germany when Germany would've invaded from their stronghold in Louisiana that would have been afforded to them after they invaded France and all the resources that were supplied to England during WWII would actually be going to Germay. Yikes!
It's possible that the sun would never shine on the Union Jack ever again after 1940 if we hadn't revolted in 1876 edit: 1776🤭
But who knows, maybe if we never won our freedom, maybe England would have been able to do the whole manifest destiny thing here and then capitalized on all the rich resources here ...but wait. ..would France have ever sold their portion of the Americas to England at such a cheap price? I think not.
I think if there never was an American Revolution, England would've still had their small stake, which would have likely been taken by Germany when Germany would've invaded from their stronghold in Louisiana that would have been afforded to them after they invaded France and all the resources that were supplied to England during WWII would actually be going to Germay. Yikes!
It's possible that the sun would never shine on the Union Jack ever again after 1940 if we hadn't revolted in 1876 edit: 1776🤭
Nimbus · M
@Jayciedubb Good analysis.
It seems you know your history :)
It seems you know your history :)
Jayciedubb · 56-60, M
@Nimbus vaguely. ..and i question the bit i do know. Like, for example, our "Civil" War. Sometimes I wonder if it was really a proxy war between England and France. That whole Mason Dixon line seemed awfully convenient. Nowhere else are the state lines so common, north, south, east or west.
They say it's named after the two gentlemen who laid it out, but that sounds a bit strange to me. That's a major boundary line that separated two totally different ideologies.
They call the south the land of Dixie. ..and i know the founding fathers were all a bunch of Masons. Maybe it was a war between the Masons and the Dixons and the Masons won? 🤔
They say it's named after the two gentlemen who laid it out, but that sounds a bit strange to me. That's a major boundary line that separated two totally different ideologies.
They call the south the land of Dixie. ..and i know the founding fathers were all a bunch of Masons. Maybe it was a war between the Masons and the Dixons and the Masons won? 🤔
ViciDraco · 41-45, M
The US might actually be either several colonial powers or several nations.
A big reason we got the Louisiana Purchase so cheap was because France needed cash fast. If they didn't spend all of that money supporting our war things might have gone very different for them at home. And if they weren't desperate for the money, I doubt they'd sell to a rival like England was at the time. France may have never divested! And without that divestment the Manifest Destiny movement might have stalled out right there. And if England and France had kept their claims, Spain might have held onto theirs longer as well.
A big reason we got the Louisiana Purchase so cheap was because France needed cash fast. If they didn't spend all of that money supporting our war things might have gone very different for them at home. And if they weren't desperate for the money, I doubt they'd sell to a rival like England was at the time. France may have never divested! And without that divestment the Manifest Destiny movement might have stalled out right there. And if England and France had kept their claims, Spain might have held onto theirs longer as well.
Ducky · 31-35, F
America would've become its own self-governing nation eventually and just as eventually, would become fully independent from the UK, in much same way Canada did. The two countries could very well have been one in the same. As for what kind of country it would've been and what events may have taken place throughout its history, that's anyone's guess.
DrWatson · 70-79, M
@DrWatson I didn't think about this when I commented, but slavery was abolished in the British Empire in 1833. So if America were not yet independent, slavery would have ended here a lot sooner than it actually did, without a civil war, without reconstruction , and without people today flying Confederate flags from their pickup trucks celebrating "southern culture."
TheSirfurryanimalWales · 61-69, M
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