Local authorities have to give priority to asylum seekers. Many of them are single young men.
Don't pitch groups against each other. Social housing should be a priority. Everyone deserves and needs shelter and a roof over their head.
I don’t know how it is in the UK but I find it sad that multi generational households are no longer a thing in the west.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@FaithfulDamagedSoul They should be again very soon. Housing wealth is concentrated in the hands of the elderly who require care and companionship. Using a large house more efficiently to satisfy the wants of everybody will make for a more harmonious society.
@FaithfulDamagedSoul I don;t have the most recent figures at hand, but as far as I can remember, the number of uninhabited properties has exceeded the (official) number of homeless in this country (Britain). As Arish Mel says, there are many reasons for this, including sofa surfers and those people who for whatever reason, have been without shelter so long, they find it difficult to adapt to being indoors and safe. Then, you get the thorny problem of local authorities allowing houses and flats/apartments to stand empty for years.
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Vetrov · 61-69, M
@OogieBoogie This is fantasy, surely 😁
OogieBoogie · F
@Vetrov I've been rechecking numbers.
Official numbers were 122 000 (roughly).
But I remember reading an article that claimed that there's likely double that amount as many homeless don't have an address or fill out a census form, so they are unaccounted for.
Either way, it's still shocking numbers for a first world country with so much space .
But the vacant home number is officially correct .
Official numbers were 122 000 (roughly).
But I remember reading an article that claimed that there's likely double that amount as many homeless don't have an address or fill out a census form, so they are unaccounted for.
Either way, it's still shocking numbers for a first world country with so much space .
But the vacant home number is officially correct .
ArishMell · 70-79, M
It's not as easy as just snap headlines.
First though, please do bear in mind that "homeless" does not mean "having nowhere to live".
The vast majority classed as "homeless" are not living on the streets but are unable to buy their own homes, so are stuck lodging with their parents, other relatives or friends who do own their own houses.
The letting market is being destroyed. Landlords are finding it harder and harder by both their own increasing costs such as the mortgage, and increasing regulations that benefit the tenants but help make the arrangement less and less practicable and viable. Most landlords are not the big money-traders owning city tower-blocks, but private individuals. Many saw letting as a sort of "pension pot" when they bought the places twenty, thirty or more years ago but now find the house a financial mill-stone. Yet it also becoming harder to evict anyone simply to reclaim the home (the so-called "no-fault evictions" you cite), so the combination deters future availability of homes to rent.
Many home-buyers now struggle thanks to lenders' greed. At one time a typical mortgage cost about three times your annual income, but greed led lenders to offer dangerously high loans, low deposits and long times, attracting buyers now caught by rapidly rising living costs when previously, the repayments would have slowly become easier with time.
While in the many attractive areas of the country, large numbers of houses are bought for second-homes and holiday-letting. This is destroying many villages and small towns because the locals cannot afford to live there on whatever work may be available, and the week-ending occupants do not usually want most of the local public services and businesses.
Many of the sprawling housing-estates springing up around towns even a hundred miles or from London, but on good railway routes to the capital, are advertised in London at prices Canary Wharf would think reasonable - unaffordable to most locals. As typical examples, I once saw double-page advertisement for the "Brimsmore" such estate, of about 3000 homes, in the London Evening News - "Brimsmore" is near Yeovil in Somerset: by train about 60 miles from Bristol and 120 miles from London (Waterloo).) While another building-site I passed near Banbury, in Oxfordshire, proudly claimed only three-quarters of an hour by train from there to London (Marylebone). HS2, if it is ever completed, is likely only to push the Canary Wharf commuter-belt out to the Birmingham and further-North areas; hence raising house prices there further still.
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More homes?
Yes - but no attempt is made to plan housing properly, hence what I call "AA Book Of The Road Planning" by remote officials and NIMBY developers who think £300 000, too cheap.
By this I mean randomly pick from the road atlas a small town far from London or Manchester, and fill its nearest large polygon of roads with 3000 little boxes. Choose purely on housing statistics; ignore all local employment, needs and wishes, public utilities and services, selling cost, landscape and agricultural values, and physical geography.
"30% affordable" claims the disingenuous publicity with deliberately deceitful "artist's impressions".
"Affordable" to whom? A single teacher, nurse or local-government administrative-officer? A local-authority lorry-driver married to a teaching-assistant? A professional physicist wed to a company-law barrister? Does this meaningless publicity claim render 1400 of those 3000 houses too expensive for anyone?
Even Sandbanks is "affordable"... to some people. (A row of houses adjoining Poole Harbour, possibly England's most expensive outside of London.) Anyway the developers will gain the planning-permission then say "Oh, we need reduce that 30% to 20% to make the scheme viable". Oh aye?
So don't just shout "Thousands Homeless!"
Ask what it really means, how many, where do they live in fact, and why it happens - and what constructively can be done to help them.
First though, please do bear in mind that "homeless" does not mean "having nowhere to live".
The vast majority classed as "homeless" are not living on the streets but are unable to buy their own homes, so are stuck lodging with their parents, other relatives or friends who do own their own houses.
The letting market is being destroyed. Landlords are finding it harder and harder by both their own increasing costs such as the mortgage, and increasing regulations that benefit the tenants but help make the arrangement less and less practicable and viable. Most landlords are not the big money-traders owning city tower-blocks, but private individuals. Many saw letting as a sort of "pension pot" when they bought the places twenty, thirty or more years ago but now find the house a financial mill-stone. Yet it also becoming harder to evict anyone simply to reclaim the home (the so-called "no-fault evictions" you cite), so the combination deters future availability of homes to rent.
Many home-buyers now struggle thanks to lenders' greed. At one time a typical mortgage cost about three times your annual income, but greed led lenders to offer dangerously high loans, low deposits and long times, attracting buyers now caught by rapidly rising living costs when previously, the repayments would have slowly become easier with time.
While in the many attractive areas of the country, large numbers of houses are bought for second-homes and holiday-letting. This is destroying many villages and small towns because the locals cannot afford to live there on whatever work may be available, and the week-ending occupants do not usually want most of the local public services and businesses.
Many of the sprawling housing-estates springing up around towns even a hundred miles or from London, but on good railway routes to the capital, are advertised in London at prices Canary Wharf would think reasonable - unaffordable to most locals. As typical examples, I once saw double-page advertisement for the "Brimsmore" such estate, of about 3000 homes, in the London Evening News - "Brimsmore" is near Yeovil in Somerset: by train about 60 miles from Bristol and 120 miles from London (Waterloo).) While another building-site I passed near Banbury, in Oxfordshire, proudly claimed only three-quarters of an hour by train from there to London (Marylebone). HS2, if it is ever completed, is likely only to push the Canary Wharf commuter-belt out to the Birmingham and further-North areas; hence raising house prices there further still.
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More homes?
Yes - but no attempt is made to plan housing properly, hence what I call "AA Book Of The Road Planning" by remote officials and NIMBY developers who think £300 000, too cheap.
By this I mean randomly pick from the road atlas a small town far from London or Manchester, and fill its nearest large polygon of roads with 3000 little boxes. Choose purely on housing statistics; ignore all local employment, needs and wishes, public utilities and services, selling cost, landscape and agricultural values, and physical geography.
"30% affordable" claims the disingenuous publicity with deliberately deceitful "artist's impressions".
"Affordable" to whom? A single teacher, nurse or local-government administrative-officer? A local-authority lorry-driver married to a teaching-assistant? A professional physicist wed to a company-law barrister? Does this meaningless publicity claim render 1400 of those 3000 houses too expensive for anyone?
Even Sandbanks is "affordable"... to some people. (A row of houses adjoining Poole Harbour, possibly England's most expensive outside of London.) Anyway the developers will gain the planning-permission then say "Oh, we need reduce that 30% to 20% to make the scheme viable". Oh aye?
So don't just shout "Thousands Homeless!"
Ask what it really means, how many, where do they live in fact, and why it happens - and what constructively can be done to help them.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@SatyrService Thankyou!
Local authorities have to give priority to asylum seekers. Many of them are single young men.
Lovely sarcasm! This is why more social housing needs to be built- rather than pitching the refugees and homeless against each other.
But oh no even when affordable housing plans to get built boomers whinge and suddenly pretend to care about the green belt.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@ninalanyonI agree on the matter of brownfield sites, but one problem created over the last several decades was by snobbery on the part of commercial-site developers, who would unashamedly advertise some new industrial estate as being on "a greenfield site".
Recent examples in SW England, all just off the M5, include that waste-to-electricity plant near Gloucester, now attracting more development next to it; a supermarket's massive warehouse near Bridgewater; and Bristol University's huge "Gravity" speculation right by the Mendip Hills AONB.
The housing speculators are at least as bad, but to be honest many former urban industrial sites probably looked too grim to attract house builders and buyers. The exception being former dock-side warehouses converted to flats affordable to... solicitors and insurance-company managers? Even if they give the estates childishly bucolic names - to remind us what they destroy? (A housing-estate planned for Vearse Farm, near Bridport, is called "Foundry Lea"; while that pretentious "Poundbury" sprawl outside Dorchester is nowhere near the real Poundbury!)
For agricultural land though, compulsory purchase apart, it's not the government but the landowners - the farmers - who would release the land to the speculators (who are always the real NIMBYs), for building, subject to planning-permission.
Who could blame them though, when they could then retire on the proceeds, freed from the ignorant attacks British farmers and farming now face from all sides.
Recent examples in SW England, all just off the M5, include that waste-to-electricity plant near Gloucester, now attracting more development next to it; a supermarket's massive warehouse near Bridgewater; and Bristol University's huge "Gravity" speculation right by the Mendip Hills AONB.
The housing speculators are at least as bad, but to be honest many former urban industrial sites probably looked too grim to attract house builders and buyers. The exception being former dock-side warehouses converted to flats affordable to... solicitors and insurance-company managers? Even if they give the estates childishly bucolic names - to remind us what they destroy? (A housing-estate planned for Vearse Farm, near Bridport, is called "Foundry Lea"; while that pretentious "Poundbury" sprawl outside Dorchester is nowhere near the real Poundbury!)
For agricultural land though, compulsory purchase apart, it's not the government but the landowners - the farmers - who would release the land to the speculators (who are always the real NIMBYs), for building, subject to planning-permission.
Who could blame them though, when they could then retire on the proceeds, freed from the ignorant attacks British farmers and farming now face from all sides.
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@ArishMell
For agricultural land though, compulsory purchase apart, it's not the government but the landowners - the farmers - who would release the land to the speculators (who are always the real NIMBYs), for building, subject to planning-permission.But in the green belt planning permission is either impossible or very difficult to obtain at the moment. It would take government action to release that land in practice even if a farmer did sell it to a developer.
For agricultural land though, compulsory purchase apart, it's not the government but the landowners - the farmers - who would release the land to the speculators (who are always the real NIMBYs), for building, subject to planning-permission.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@ninalanyon It's still not state-owned land as phrases like "government release" imply, but yes, allowing building on protected land would still be at governmental agency (not government) level.
The Government of the day can change the overall policy but not decide individual cases.
A landowner would know if it can be built on or not, and usually land is sold with outline planning-permission already obtained by the seller. Otherwise it would have to be sold as continuing agricultural land.
That's for houses. I don't know the situation regarding the worryingly large areas of good, productive land being taken up by sprawling solar-array installations. They might come under different planning rules, but I gather that a farmer who sells or lets land for that risks huge tax burdens for himself or his benefactors, for while they might receive an income they will have turned the land from agricultural to industrial use.
The Government of the day can change the overall policy but not decide individual cases.
A landowner would know if it can be built on or not, and usually land is sold with outline planning-permission already obtained by the seller. Otherwise it would have to be sold as continuing agricultural land.
That's for houses. I don't know the situation regarding the worryingly large areas of good, productive land being taken up by sprawling solar-array installations. They might come under different planning rules, but I gather that a farmer who sells or lets land for that risks huge tax burdens for himself or his benefactors, for while they might receive an income they will have turned the land from agricultural to industrial use.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
Compassion is not limited or finite. Single male asylum seekers are mainly housed in hotels or worse (a floating barge is being refurbished) at the expense of the Home Office. The UK is short of labour in key sectors such as agriculture and healthcare. We should let these young men work and make a positive contribution to our society.
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ArishMell · 70-79, M
@SW-User I can only extend my deepest sympathies to you. I don't suppose you are alone in that sort of awful situation either.
However I did not say it does not suffer from its own problems, and I know it can be difficult even simply to arrange a GP appointment. In some ways it is a victim of its own success, and being a humanly-constructed system staffed by people it can and will fail at times. Though failure here is far more serious than, say, a letter delivered a day or so late, a train delayed by breakdown or a motorway blocked by snow.
My point is that it exists at all - the alternative would be even worse and indeed catastrophic for many people. Like other public services, it does need improving, it needs become much more attractive to work for, it needs managing by people experienced in it directly, and allowed to manage it whilst accountable to but free from being experimented on by, successive governments - of all parties.
However I did not say it does not suffer from its own problems, and I know it can be difficult even simply to arrange a GP appointment. In some ways it is a victim of its own success, and being a humanly-constructed system staffed by people it can and will fail at times. Though failure here is far more serious than, say, a letter delivered a day or so late, a train delayed by breakdown or a motorway blocked by snow.
My point is that it exists at all - the alternative would be even worse and indeed catastrophic for many people. Like other public services, it does need improving, it needs become much more attractive to work for, it needs managing by people experienced in it directly, and allowed to manage it whilst accountable to but free from being experimented on by, successive governments - of all parties.
smileylovesgaming · 31-35, F
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@smileylovesgaming Yes, it seems to be everywhere. The worlds media tend to ignore it.
A few of the responses on here are in denial too.
A few of the responses on here are in denial too.
smileylovesgaming · 31-35, F
@SW-User most people work in under pay job's. U got to be smart with college these days. U got to look around and see what your area has. U can't just go after what u want. My cousin did that and he has degree's that are completely worthless. All he does have is college loans he will never be able to pay off.
ididntknow · 51-55, M
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@pdockal That is the thrust of my argument.
Asylum seekers must be quickly processed humanly. And then integrated.
But up to a thousand a day are crossing the channel. It’s a big problem.
Asylum seekers must be quickly processed humanly. And then integrated.
But up to a thousand a day are crossing the channel. It’s a big problem.
pdockal · 56-60, M
@SW-User
It's a problem everywhere
But MY POINT is that it doesn't have to be that way
Government makes it this way
It's a problem everywhere
But MY POINT is that it doesn't have to be that way
Government makes it this way
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@pdockal I totally agree.
braveheart21 · 61-69, M
Every government has been as guilty as each other in giving more help abroad than to helping our own people... Social housing.. And private housing at a reasonable cost has all but been forgotten in the race to make money at the expense of the less well off people of this once proud country... The way the old.. Disabled and Military veterans are treated is a disgrace... The politics of the various governments dont mean a thing when all they look for is to profit themselves Labour Tory or Liberal are all painted with the same profiteering brush @vorian
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@vorian Preceded by a Labour Government that had shouted blue murder at the previous Conservative policies - then pursued the same policies with the same zeal if not more.
I do not believe the "profiteering" jibe at all - it is oh-so-easy to shout cliched accusations and slogans - but I do believe of any Party, that governments largely work in short-term ways without thinking decades beyond the next election; tend to concentrate too much on what the Public and Press see (or perceive) rather than the deeper levels; and think much more of cost than value.
Though on the last failing, the politicians, unlike the Press and too many members of "the public", do appreciate that there is no such thing as "government money", that it is all tax-payers' money.
What they seem not to appreciate is that now so much of that money just disappears abroad as the added burden of profits, under the myth of "inward investment", a slogan that looks as faulty as it looks American.
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I saw this from the inside, as a low-ranking, technical-grade civil-servant whose state-owned research employer was sold by Messrs. Blair and Brown in a very shady deal brokered by some dubious American money-outfit. Not our own commercial brokers. Oh no!
I now belong to my union's Retired Members' Group. It was and is a very progressive union; not one of the antiquated, commercially-suicidal types that wreaked havoc on their own livelihoods. Nevertheless, its magazine carried story after story of campaigns to try to stop the destruction of one public asset after another by random cuts, sales to God-knows-whom or just outright closure, by both Labour and Conservative governments, without the slightest analysis of purpose, value and consequences.
The main targets were the easy, mainly more background but state not "government" property: higher academia, museums and libraries, the arts, the utilities and transport services all too easily taken for granted; the Armed Forces, and the less obvious Civil Service administrative and technical organisations. Why?
- a) They are not the cuddly fluffy animals in the pet-shop window, as are Schools, DHSS, NHS and Police though these were and still are squeezed too; and
- b) The civil-servants' , local government officers' and military's own, much-valued and staunchly-defended neutrality made it very hard for them to defend themselves against any-party government's attack on their work - work for the country, not the government of the day.
Especially against first Conservative Prime Ministers who genuinely thought the "private sector" better at running things than State employees (I now see this as a huge mistake!); and by an overly pro-American, anti-English, Labour Prime Minister who seemed to despise that neutrality.
Let alone newspaper proprietors too ignorant and lazy to understand their work, but too quick to insult the staff with gratuitous insults about "gold-plated pensions", "inefficient" and similar lies; to a public largely unaware of many of the institutions from which they benefit, directly or indirectly.
Hence the mess now.
I do not believe the "profiteering" jibe at all - it is oh-so-easy to shout cliched accusations and slogans - but I do believe of any Party, that governments largely work in short-term ways without thinking decades beyond the next election; tend to concentrate too much on what the Public and Press see (or perceive) rather than the deeper levels; and think much more of cost than value.
Though on the last failing, the politicians, unlike the Press and too many members of "the public", do appreciate that there is no such thing as "government money", that it is all tax-payers' money.
What they seem not to appreciate is that now so much of that money just disappears abroad as the added burden of profits, under the myth of "inward investment", a slogan that looks as faulty as it looks American.
..............
I saw this from the inside, as a low-ranking, technical-grade civil-servant whose state-owned research employer was sold by Messrs. Blair and Brown in a very shady deal brokered by some dubious American money-outfit. Not our own commercial brokers. Oh no!
I now belong to my union's Retired Members' Group. It was and is a very progressive union; not one of the antiquated, commercially-suicidal types that wreaked havoc on their own livelihoods. Nevertheless, its magazine carried story after story of campaigns to try to stop the destruction of one public asset after another by random cuts, sales to God-knows-whom or just outright closure, by both Labour and Conservative governments, without the slightest analysis of purpose, value and consequences.
The main targets were the easy, mainly more background but state not "government" property: higher academia, museums and libraries, the arts, the utilities and transport services all too easily taken for granted; the Armed Forces, and the less obvious Civil Service administrative and technical organisations. Why?
- a) They are not the cuddly fluffy animals in the pet-shop window, as are Schools, DHSS, NHS and Police though these were and still are squeezed too; and
- b) The civil-servants' , local government officers' and military's own, much-valued and staunchly-defended neutrality made it very hard for them to defend themselves against any-party government's attack on their work - work for the country, not the government of the day.
Especially against first Conservative Prime Ministers who genuinely thought the "private sector" better at running things than State employees (I now see this as a huge mistake!); and by an overly pro-American, anti-English, Labour Prime Minister who seemed to despise that neutrality.
Let alone newspaper proprietors too ignorant and lazy to understand their work, but too quick to insult the staff with gratuitous insults about "gold-plated pensions", "inefficient" and similar lies; to a public largely unaware of many of the institutions from which they benefit, directly or indirectly.
Hence the mess now.
braveheart21 · 61-69, M
Its high time this country and the government from whichever party woke up to the problems of our service veterans and the everyday publics TOTAL LACK of support they get... Yet the governments continue to offer help all refugees and asylum seekers have homes here for two or three years while our own people are destitute and many live in cardboard cities under railway arches etc
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
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@AthrillatheHunt Yes, they have to work!
And have their teeth xrayed if they claim to be under eighteen. If they go into schools pretending to be children they are paedophiles!
But my concern is for the hundred thousand who are forgotten, on a so called waiting lists.
There should be no waiting list!
The post war governments had social housing programmes, why dont those in power adopt them today. A shame on modern society.
And have their teeth xrayed if they claim to be under eighteen. If they go into schools pretending to be children they are paedophiles!
But my concern is for the hundred thousand who are forgotten, on a so called waiting lists.
There should be no waiting list!
The post war governments had social housing programmes, why dont those in power adopt them today. A shame on modern society.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@SW-User it’s a total shame .
braveheart21 · 61-69, M
TrashCat · M
@braveheart21 Maybe it's because the numbers were exagerated by white nationalists
braveheart21 · 61-69, M
Keep your nasty racist remarksto yourself and stay in the States... We don't need you here... @TrashCat
Queendragonfly · 31-35, F
No one has been "left homeless" by their landlords. The landlords are just people who wanna survive too. If you can't pay the rent you expect to live rent free and feed off your land lord? You think that's fair?
I don't know what you have against young single men from war countries but they don't have relatives to live with, they are in more need of a home than people with relatives who have a support network.
I don't know what you have against young single men from war countries but they don't have relatives to live with, they are in more need of a home than people with relatives who have a support network.
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
@Queendragonfly the landlords play a role in our privatized housing system, and the system left people homeless. It's on purpose. Whenever you killers come to your senses the torture caused by the free market delusions you love to spread can be stopped. Nobody thinks we'll survive the white people at all. You killed that planet dead. Nobody can live in any house. You win.
@Queendragonfly There are landlords that run slum flats where people on very little money have to go because they can't afford better. There was an attempt to pass a bill in Parliament a few years back, ensuring homes had to have a minimum standard of habitation. It was kicked out by tory MPS, a large number of whom are (or were at the time) private landlords. Conflict of interest? very much so.
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ArishMell · 70-79, M
@OldMan70 Some while ago a BBC radio documentary looked at one very surprising aspect of that: the number of people who have moved to "Silicon Valley" for work in the IT trade. Despite the high wages that attract them, they cannot afford the few houses available to buy or rent, so end up living in vans, even tents! One or two were found sleeping on local service buses on a long circular route.
Of that nearly 600 000 though, is that defined in America only as living rough, or as in Britain where it does include that but also the far greater number who do have a roof over their heads, but not one they can buy or rent themselves? (Typically, lodging with relatives or friends.)
Of that nearly 600 000 though, is that defined in America only as living rough, or as in Britain where it does include that but also the far greater number who do have a roof over their heads, but not one they can buy or rent themselves? (Typically, lodging with relatives or friends.)
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nedkelly · 61-69, M
And credit providers are still lending money who cannot afford to rent, massive credit card debt, debt collectors harassing people unlawfully. The government's decisions are destroying the basic living standards across the world
FloorGenAdm · 51-55, M
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
Everyone knows you can afford a welfare state for citizens and immigrants.
You get to live precarious lives like Americans because you let yourselves exclude immigrants from the welfare you deserve. You win! Geert Wilders said your poverty bashed immigrants and sets the True example of your inhumane Nature.
You get to live precarious lives like Americans because you let yourselves exclude immigrants from the welfare you deserve. You win! Geert Wilders said your poverty bashed immigrants and sets the True example of your inhumane Nature.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Roundandroundwego I don't know who the "everyone", "you" and "your" are, but I doubt anyone denies a welfare state is expensive and has to be met by taxes. What are the alternatives though, if not costlier still in other ways and indirectly? Sink or swim!
However, no country gives its services free to non-nationals, except perhaps at individual person level, nor can it be expected to do so, although many have reciprocal health arrangements with others to cover normal travel. The host is reimbursed but via insurance or at governmental agency level.
I had to look up Geert Wilders to learn who he is: the founder and leader of a far-Right Dutch political party unique in being a party of just one member: Geert Wilders. Its primary aim seems an radical anti-Islamic drive, fostered by his fear of the religion having its own way in a constitutionally secular country whose society's past was heavily religious in three main Christian sects. Holland has also been generally welcoming of immigrants, but there is a rising fear of the numbers now making their way to NW Europe from Africa, the Middle East and Eastern Europe (apart from Ukrainian refugees).
So if that's what Wilders says, he seems in no position to say it.
By far-Right I mean in European terms: the mainstream Left-Right spectrum around much of Western Europe appears as wide as, but generally somewhat left of, its American counterpart. Though there are strong extremist, mainly-Right, ideologies growing on the Continent, encouraged by strong-arm leaders like Presidents Erdogan (Turkey) and Orban (Hungary) exploiting real worries and one-sided desires among their electorates.
However, no country gives its services free to non-nationals, except perhaps at individual person level, nor can it be expected to do so, although many have reciprocal health arrangements with others to cover normal travel. The host is reimbursed but via insurance or at governmental agency level.
I had to look up Geert Wilders to learn who he is: the founder and leader of a far-Right Dutch political party unique in being a party of just one member: Geert Wilders. Its primary aim seems an radical anti-Islamic drive, fostered by his fear of the religion having its own way in a constitutionally secular country whose society's past was heavily religious in three main Christian sects. Holland has also been generally welcoming of immigrants, but there is a rising fear of the numbers now making their way to NW Europe from Africa, the Middle East and Eastern Europe (apart from Ukrainian refugees).
So if that's what Wilders says, he seems in no position to say it.
By far-Right I mean in European terms: the mainstream Left-Right spectrum around much of Western Europe appears as wide as, but generally somewhat left of, its American counterpart. Though there are strong extremist, mainly-Right, ideologies growing on the Continent, encouraged by strong-arm leaders like Presidents Erdogan (Turkey) and Orban (Hungary) exploiting real worries and one-sided desires among their electorates.
emperorlily · 22-25, F
JesseInTX · 51-55, M
There’s that many in Los Angeles
TrashCat · M
The governments work for the highest bidders.
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Families borne in the UK, who cannot afford housing.
Gangstress · 41-45, F
Many of them are single young men? And what?
Amor69Fati · 56-60, M
From which countries!? 🤔
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@BabyLonia I have no time for economic migrants, that is true. Sadly we left the EU where there was freedom of movement, and the movement was very much two way.
Refugees are a different they need compassion.
As for social deprivation, that is where I devoted my life’s work.
Refugees are a different they need compassion.
As for social deprivation, that is where I devoted my life’s work.
BabyLonia · F
@SW-User our NHS is propped up by economic migrants
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@SW-User Germany, Holland and France are also having to try to cope with absorbing large numbers of both economic immigrants and refugees. Others appear to be trying to cope by closing their borders.
We do by the way, know a lot about the trafficking "trade", including its source of boats; but dealing with that needs a concerted effort by several countries, separately from the EU.
The boats are made in Turkey, but fitted with under-sized engines imported from China then given false specification-plates that claim higher power than reality.
We do by the way, know a lot about the trafficking "trade", including its source of boats; but dealing with that needs a concerted effort by several countries, separately from the EU.
The boats are made in Turkey, but fitted with under-sized engines imported from China then given false specification-plates that claim higher power than reality.
Rhode57 · 56-60, M
Sadly its the way of the world and you have a small minority of do gooders and governments to thanks for the ludicrous situation . It was the same when african countries etc started wanting idependance , no one thought of the long term affects . Now their even worse off abused by their own governments starving and the infrastructure all but gone . Mark my words the present situation is gonna come back and bite them on the arse . It already is with housing shortage , overpopulation etc . Countries infrastructures are starting to creak at the seams due to demand on services that cant cope . The uk is already suffering due to demand for fresh water and a modern sewerage system and not enough housing . They want to build 1000s more houses but no one has thought where there going to get the services for all these new houses . We already have hosepipe bans and people being asked to conserve water . When the reservoirs run dry it will be to late to think oh dear we never really thought about the fresh water supply for 1000s of new houses and 1000s of migrants . It will be to late .
revenant · F
what a shame
Jungleman · M
this is truly appalling, this government need to be ousted.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@Jungleman many western governments no longer work for their citizenry .
FurryFace · 61-69, M
of course they are men mostly , women can always shack up with some guy
SW-User
@FurryFace No, when asylum seekers land near me, the men come ashore leaving the women and child to fend for themselves.
Women and children are not second class citizens in England!
But this is not the issue here, it is the poverty of England, which has doubled in the last ten years.
Women and children are not second class citizens in England!
But this is not the issue here, it is the poverty of England, which has doubled in the last ten years.
Convivial · 26-30, F
It sucks, to put it bluntly
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OogieBoogie · F
@SW-User not everyone has the money to afford these though.🤷
Imagine you're a single parent, working part time ....imagine if 80% of what you earnt went on rent?.
...an dthen the rest on food, petrol, heating clothes ?
Imagine income the same as outgo?
I know people whose rent went up $50 a week and it broke their budget ...they had to move out and couch surf.
Lost all their belongings .
Imagine you're a single parent, working part time ....imagine if 80% of what you earnt went on rent?.
...an dthen the rest on food, petrol, heating clothes ?
Imagine income the same as outgo?
I know people whose rent went up $50 a week and it broke their budget ...they had to move out and couch surf.
Lost all their belongings .
OogieBoogie · F
@SW-User also ...you have to be accepted by a bank to be able to buy.
I know of a couple who are in their mid 30's , earn over $200 000 per annum between them - and got rejected by the bank - not enough down payment.
They can't raise enough down payment due to how high their rent is and repayments on loans.
Your first example was.$795 000 house .
I don't know you personally, but I know a bit of your background ...and am not sure you realize how lucky you are .
The average person is looking for a $400 000 house or less if possible, to scrape by and pay off.
Your examples are beyond the reach of the average person 🤷
I know of a couple who are in their mid 30's , earn over $200 000 per annum between them - and got rejected by the bank - not enough down payment.
They can't raise enough down payment due to how high their rent is and repayments on loans.
Your first example was.$795 000 house .
I don't know you personally, but I know a bit of your background ...and am not sure you realize how lucky you are .
The average person is looking for a $400 000 house or less if possible, to scrape by and pay off.
Your examples are beyond the reach of the average person 🤷
SW-User
@OogieBoogie True, most in this area ( 85% ) are retired or company managers with $$$$$$$$
The young couples both work,,,,,,,,,,,, why why cooking business works so well.
NO TIME to cook or retired people sick of cooking
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***🔥THAI RED BEEF CURRY $20 🔥***
OR
***🔥THAI GREEN CHICKEN CURRY 🌶🌶 $20 🔥***
OR
***🔥COCONUT PRAWN CURRY $20 🔥***
$20ea with free delivery to Smiths/Palms
🙏🙏Please set reminders in your phone🙏🙏
Hey Foodies!
Some of your favourite curries that you have asked for again and again! What better way to warm up.
Your choice of 3 curry dishes all cooked with our homemade authentic curry pastes 🤤 these dishes will Tame the biggest of appetites.
Choice of curry:
🔥Thai Red Beef curry - slow braised pieces of beef in a Red curry with veg.. this dish will be made with a very mild spice - served with rice
🔥🌶Thai Green Chicken Curry- This will be our hot spicy dish for the night! The hottest of the Thai curries and one of the most popular - it has a heap of punchy zesty fresh flavours with a chilli kick, served with rice 🌶🌶
🔥Coconut Prawn curry - A creamy mild coconut curry with lots of ginger, garlic and Kaffir lime.
Served with rice 🤤🤤
💥💥💥We can also give you a free side of thai chilli paste if you would like to make any of these hotter! Please request💥💥💥
Please note I accept Cash (I carry change) or I have Eftpos - both available on delivery
The young couples both work,,,,,,,,,,,, why why cooking business works so well.
NO TIME to cook or retired people sick of cooking
📣📣📣SOLD OUT📣📣📣
🚨***PRE ORDERS FOR THURSDAY 20TH***🚨
***🔥THAI RED BEEF CURRY $20 🔥***
OR
***🔥THAI GREEN CHICKEN CURRY 🌶🌶 $20 🔥***
OR
***🔥COCONUT PRAWN CURRY $20 🔥***
$20ea with free delivery to Smiths/Palms
🙏🙏Please set reminders in your phone🙏🙏
Hey Foodies!
Some of your favourite curries that you have asked for again and again! What better way to warm up.
Your choice of 3 curry dishes all cooked with our homemade authentic curry pastes 🤤 these dishes will Tame the biggest of appetites.
Choice of curry:
🔥Thai Red Beef curry - slow braised pieces of beef in a Red curry with veg.. this dish will be made with a very mild spice - served with rice
🔥🌶Thai Green Chicken Curry- This will be our hot spicy dish for the night! The hottest of the Thai curries and one of the most popular - it has a heap of punchy zesty fresh flavours with a chilli kick, served with rice 🌶🌶
🔥Coconut Prawn curry - A creamy mild coconut curry with lots of ginger, garlic and Kaffir lime.
Served with rice 🤤🤤
💥💥💥We can also give you a free side of thai chilli paste if you would like to make any of these hotter! Please request💥💥💥
Please note I accept Cash (I carry change) or I have Eftpos - both available on delivery
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caesar7 · 61-69, M
Definitely not right. 😡