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If #notallmen aren't the problem

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Punxi · F
As a grad student in San Francisco I'd garnered many hours counciling with BAYSWAN (Bay Area Sex Worker Advocacy Network).

High mortality rate among female sex workers comes from a cluster of structural risks, not a simple trait of one gender.

Client violence is a real factor but not “all men”.

Yes, some clients are violent, and because sex work often happens in private, isolated settings, that risk is higher. But the key issue isn’t “men as a whole”...it’s the set up itself.

Lack of screening ability..
pressure to accept risky clients,
working alone without protection.

In many places, sex work is illegal or heavily stigmatized. That leads to:
reluctance to call police when harmed
being pushed into unsafe areas and
less access to basic legal protection for god sake.


Toss in third-party exploitation...pimps, traffickers, or controlling partners can
use violence to maintain control which
forces riskier work conditions
preventing workers from leaving dangerous situations.

Consider the isolation...

Unlike other jobs, there’s often no coworkers nearby, no security, no oversight.

Isolation dramatically increases vulnerability to harm.

Zero girl I worked with was the roll in the movie "Pretty Woman"

Most all of them were dealing with addiction, homelessness and
extreme poverty.

These factors can force people into higher-risk situations or reduce their ability to assess danger.

And like what [@Megenta] had added, serial offenders targeting vulnerability.

Certain predators specifically target sex workers because they believe:
they won’t be reported missing quickly
police won’t prioritize the case.

That pattern has been seen in multiple serial murder cases.

Im not disputing your vibe here Foxy. There's certainly a double standard, a stigmatized lable and of all the murders of sex workers ever....safe to say 99.9% were committed by men....

The bigger picture however in my opinion, is that sex workers face high mortality because they are placed in vulnerable, unprotected conditions...not because men as a group are inherently violent.

Most men are not violent.

But a small percentage of violent individuals + a system that leaves sex workers exposed = disproportionately high risk.

Which in the end very much sucks.
FoxyGoddess · 51-55, F
@Punxi I appreciate this response greatly! Thank you!
Ferric67 · M
That’s absolutely terrible
FoxyGoddess · 51-55, F
@Ferric67 It is. And it shouldn't be that way, but because men are the largest customer base and the most violent, a sex worker has to worry about not just being raped and robbed, but killed. Even by regular clients.
@FoxyGoddess What you're missing here is that many, if not most, men don't use sex workers. Let's stick with "many", as to not provide any possible bias on my side.

Then that sets off the math here. If many men are not using sex workers, how could it be all men?

I do understand that if you're involved in sex work, there is going to be bias on your side to possible think all men use sex workers. I respect that, understand that, and have compassion about that. You may not be able to see any other possibilities and my point may be dismissed because of this.

However, if you can see through that.. yes, how can it be all men when not all men use sex workers?

There also were probably better scenarios you may have used to prove your bias (the word bias used here, factually - not in a derogatory manner).. but once you only focused on sex workers, you eliminated the presence of some men.

Also, another note:

Please understand I am in no way, shape, or form agreeing with the harm of any woman or women who are participating in sex work. It's wrong and should not be happening AT ALL.
FoxyGoddess · 51-55, F
@Magicianzini Thanks for this! For transparency, i was listening to a podcast episode about the Grocery Bag killer and, of course, like many before and after him, his target was primarily sex workers. And it got me to thinking why is it that sex workers have to deal with fear of death more than most other jobs?

So no, I didn't look too deep into it, but it did make me wonder why men feel more entitled and violent towards sex workers that they have no problem kiling and that this type of violence is purely done by men simply because they don't view women as people. Which is where I built my premise. Only men kill sex workers, but men also don't seem to be too concerned with stopping it because sex workers are throw away people in their eyes.
Magenta · F
Serial killers also target them, as they are easy prey.
GoFish ·
😒 who said they were killed by men? They should have taken a different job 😒
FoxyGoddess · 51-55, F
@GoFish why not? By whose standards? Why is it okay for men to pay women for sex, but it isn't okay for a woman to be a sex worker?

And in response to your first question:

GoFish ·
@FoxyGoddess why do you call men the problem? According to you they wouldn't even have this job without them
FoxyGoddess · 51-55, F
@GoFish Exactly, so why are men killing the sex workers if they are getting ehat they want from them? Women aren't killing themselves.

I have answered all your questions. Why haven't you answered any of mine? Are we discussing this or are you just being disingenuous on your side because you have misogynistic ideologies? You were quick to claim the sex worker has an unrespectable job, but have not once criticized the fact that men use the services of sex workers. So where is your similar feelings of belittlement for the men who pay for the services? Why is it okay for them?

 
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