I'm having a little trouble getting a straight answer from Biblical Creationists so if any of you want to help me out by answering these question...

@GoToTheCompound

1) Gravity is also "just a theory". In order to become a capital T, Theory in science, the idea must comprehensively and consistently explain the data as well as making testable predictions about future discoveries which are then verified.

2) Unless you're lucky enough to be speaking to a scientist who is doing entirely original research in the field...how would you expect to be hearing anything except what that person has learned from other people?
And how does that invalidate the information?
In what other context do you consider someone repeating what they have learned to be a negative?

@Pikachu I agree that gravity is also just a theory. I think everything can be boiled down to density in that regard.

I say this to people all the time about how almost everything we've been taught is just taking somebody else's word for it because there's no way we can prove it for ourselves. This accounts for at like 90% of everything we base our belief systems on.. Religion, history, science, politics, whatever NASA says.. there's no proof of any of it, and if it is true it's probably being exaggerated in one way or another. All the general public is doing is pushing their opinions onto each other. I have my own belief system and it doesn't adhere to anything that I've been formally taught.

@GoToTheCompound

So where does this philosophy get you?

You believe what you believe and there is no in-road to convince you of anything by which you are not already convinced.

@Pikachu I'm open to being convinced about new things, lately it seems like it's easier to convince me that everything we've been taught growing up is a lie because there's more evidence that we've been lied to than there is evidence that we've been told the truth. I consider myself open minded and that's how things that point in the direction of what I feel is uncovering a new piece of truth constantly flows into my life. I also become enlightened with knowledge when I open myself up to the universe without having to hear it from somebody else. My philosophy prevents me from being taken advantage of intellectually & spiritually

@GoToTheCompound

Sure. Ok. Open yourself to the universe.

But you entered this thread so let's discuss the subject.

Can you answer any of those questions for me?
Or at least answer a) and b)

@GoToTheCompound [quote] I have my own belief system and it doesn't adhere to anything that I've been formally taught.[/quote]
We can tell. 😆

@Pikachu I can't give you an answer to those questions because I don't think the bible is literal and I think christianity in general goes out of it's way to distort the truth as much as possible up until the very point where it can be called a lie in order to control as many people as possible through deception.

I think a larger more advanced humanity that had longer life spans than us existed up until 200-300 years ago until they were all wiped out and they're the ones that built all this grand architecture that can't be replicated today. I think humans like us were designed to be this size along with all the races of people. I do not believe the different ethnicities of people are the result of evolution and I also believe all animals were designed because there is no way that literally a million different species of animals can all be alive at the same time if evolution was real.

@GoToTheCompound

@GoToTheCompound About 98% of all animal species that existed have gone extinct. Kind of a wasteful designer.

@GoToTheCompound [quote]there's no proof of any of it[/quote]
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@GoToTheCompound

[quote] there is no way that literally a million different species of animals can all be alive at the same time if evolution was real.[/quote]

Why not?
This is where it becomes important for you to describe your understanding of what evolution is and how it works.
You reject it but until you define it, i don't know if you're rejecting evolution or an imaginary version of what you think evolution is.

@BlueSkyKing How can there be any proof that 98% of animals to ever exist have gone extinct? How could a data base for every animal to ever exist be possible?

@Gloomy You think there's proof that evolution is real? Actual proof, not just you taking somebody's word for it?

@Pikachu There's actual proof that people, animals, trees, and ancient buildings used to be a lot larger than anything we see now. There isn't proof of how all of those things became smaller. Do you think evolution is responsible for shrinking everything?

@GoToTheCompound

For the moment i'm not even going to contest the claim that everything used to be bigger.

Yes, evolution could be responsible for making lifeforms smaller.
See, [i]this[/i] is why i'm asking you to explain to me your understanding of what evolution is and how it works.
The fact that you would for a moment consider "getting smaller" as something evolution cannot explain suggests to me that you really do not understand the theory.

So please, show me the courtesy of answering this question:

In your understanding, what is evolution and how does it work?

@GoToTheCompound

[quote]You think there's proof that evolution is real? Actual proof, not just you taking somebody's word for it?[/quote]

Wait, i know i said i wouldn't contest this but this seems like it might be hypocrisy:

What personally observed evidence do you have that people, animals and trees used to be bigger?
Have you done original research on this subject of are you accepting what you have been told by other people?

@Pikachu There have been so many accounts of giant human skeletons being found all over the world that I would consider it proof even though I haven't seen these skeletons in person. And even though I don't take the bible literally, it states the existence of giants as well as almost every other religion. I personally don't believe in dinosaurs and I think they're completely made up to cover up the findings of giant human and animal bones. And I believe desert plateaus are the stumps of giant ancient trees that were cut down. And these giant trees that once reached miles into the sky are also referenced in ancient religions. One fact about all trees is that they never stop growing. A tree will continuously get taller and wider for it's entire lifespan, which then makes you wonder why are all the trees we ever see no older than a few hundred years? What killed all the trees a few hundred years ago? And it's said that these giant trees provided so much oxygen to the lifeforms around them that it enabled them to grow to giant proportions. And if you look at the ruins any ancient buildings, they're always giant and they were absolutely not made for people our size, they were made of bricks too big for any people our size to even move, let alone cut and perfectly put them in place. This even applies to cathedrals supposedly built 500 years ago, there's no way these buildings with doorways 50+ feet tall and bricks the size of a car were built by people like us. History is a lie and there is more evidence suggesting it's false than true

@GoToTheCompound [quote]How can there be any proof that 98% of animals to ever exist have gone extinct? How could a data base for every animal to ever exist be possible?[/quote]
It's called the fossil record, dumbass.

@GoToTheCompound

[quote]There have been so many accounts of giant human skeletons being found all over the world that I would consider it proof even though I haven't seen these skeletons in person[/quote]

lol my dude.
So you can't take people's word on what is true...unless a lot of people tell you the same thing.
Well, there are an awful lot of well-educated people telling you that evolution is real. There are an awful lot of well-educated people telling you that dinosaurs are real...how do you justify accepting the giants and rejecting the evolution and dinosaurs?


I want you to answer that but i also want you to answer the other question.
Your challenge of evolution suggests a fundamental ignorance of the theory.
Can you please, in your own words, explain what you think evolution is and how it works?
You might as well answer because i won't drop it.
Thanks.

@Pikachu How can I answer what evolution is if I don't completely believe in it? That would be like me making up some hypothetical situation for which there isn't any real proof of. Why should I believe what somebody says existed millions of years ago when there isn't any proof of what existed several hundred years ago? I do believe it's possible for a particular species to develop an adaptive trait that can help them survive and the ones that don't possess this trait eventually die off. But I do not believe humans evolved from primates for instance, because if humans evolved from an ape like creature, then why didn't all ape like creatures evolve into humans? Why did some stay being an ape like creature? And selective evolution amongst a species still wouldn't account for the elevated consciousness that humans have compared to primates. That kind of jump in what would be deemed an evolutionary trait could only be done on purpose, which is why I believe humans were designed.

About the giants and dinosaurs.. like I said, there have been so many accounts of giant human skeletons being found all over the world and these accounts have been published in legitimate articles such as G.E. Kincaid exploring the grand canyon in the early 1900s and telling how he found an underground city full of giant skeletons and how the Smithsonian tried to cover it up, that's all pretty well documented. And how the word dinosaur didn't even exist until 150 years ago, and there are no accounts of any ancient civilization finding dinosaur bones even though ancient underground tunnel system exist all over the world and there have never been any account of finding remnants of these creatures. And the fact that all dinosaur skeletons in museums aren't real bones. They're all fake bones and nobody has access to any real dinosaur skeleton. There's never even been an entire dinosaur skeleton found in one piece, so there's no proof of what they even looked like. It's all conjecture. There's much more proof of giant humans than there is of dinosaurs and that's why I believe what I believe. My belief system consists of what I consider to be more realistic because of the evidence I've been shown. And even though you clearly don't agree with my outlook, you haven't said anything that can prove what I believe is false.

@GoToTheCompound

[quote]How can I answer what evolution is if I don't completely believe in it?[/quote]

You don't have to accept evolution as true in order to understand what the theory says in the same way that you don't need to think Hogwarts is real in order to tell me what the school houses are.

[quote][quote]if humans evolved from an ape like creature, then why didn't all ape like creatures evolve into humans?[/quote][/quote]

This question is [i]exactly[/i] why i wanted you to describe to me how you think evolution works.
I will explain evolution to you if you meet me half way but in order to do that, i need to know where you're starting from.
Under your understanding of evolution, why would you expect all ape-like creatures to have evolved into humans?


[quote]there have been so many accounts of giant human skeletons being found all over the world[/quote]

There have been far more accounts of dinosaur skeletons being found all over the world and these discoveries are published in far more places.

[quote]And how the word dinosaur didn't even exist until 150 years ago[quote][/quote][/quote]

The word "bacteria" wasn't didn't even exist until 190 years ago. Do you think bacteria only began to exist 190 years ago?
The fact that the word "Dinosaur" was only coined relatively recently doesn't mean that dinosaurs didn't exist before then, it means that's when the taxon was recognized by science.

[quote]there are no accounts of any ancient civilization finding dinosaur bones[/quote]


[quote]My belief system consists of what I consider to be more realistic because of the evidence I've been shown.[/quote]

That's not true at all. The Ancient Greeks, Chinese and indigenous peoples of North America all encountered dinosaur bones. They just didn't know that's what they were.
Your notion that what we call dinosaur bones are actually giant bones is utterly, [i]utterly[/i] destroyed by simply examining the anatomy of the bones. In the same way that anatomists can tell the difference between the leg bone of a tiger and a man and a lizard they can tell the difference between a dinosaur and a hominid, giant or otherwise.

[quote]s. They're all fake bones and nobody has access to any real dinosaur skeleton. There's never even been an entire dinosaur skeleton found in one piece[/quote]

Incorrect.
In the museum you will find actual real fossils of dinosaur bones as well as casts of bones and the originals still exist in the museum collections even if they are not on display to the public.
I personally have been into the collections of the Royal Tyrell Museum of paleontology and handled dinosaur fossils.
My own brother every summer goes into the badlands of Alberta and excavates dinosaur bones. He just finished preparing a triceratops skull.
Sorry, but this is nothing more than a conspiracy theory.

@Pikachu My point is anything presented as a dinosaur bone in a museum is not a real bone, and that's a fact. Why do you want to believe that the actual bone these things are allegedly cast from exists somewhere in the museum? What makes you think that's true? Museums have been weaponized as a form of propaganda for quite some time. They're controlled by governments and only show the public what adheres to the narrative. Just like how when the british invaded Egypt, one of the first things they did was either destroy their museums or force them to hide a very large amount of their artifacts from the public. And til this day ancient Egypt museums have about half of their artifacts in sealed quarters that the public is never allowed to see. Museums are a form of brainwashing, no matter what kind of museum it is. Maybe your brother did find the skull of something, but what's the real proof that it's the skull of an animal that existed millions of years ago? And why are almost all dinosaur bones found in the same locations? It could be the skull of a giant humanoid for all we know, but of course we're never going to be told that. And like I said there's never been an entire dinosaur skeleton excavated, so who knows what these bones really belonged to?