Are the British to blame

LOL...all that "industrialization" must have happened 400K - 800K years ago

If Britain hadn't some other country would have done, probably Germany, possibly France once settled fully from her Revolution.

Remember though you - and me, and the rest of us - are enjoying the fruits of it. No electricity? No lighting... no Internet either. No iron and steel? No way to make electricity and electrical equipment; nor to bring us clean water and other essentials.

Using iron is nothing new. The "Iron Age" started, somewhere, a couple of thousand years or so ago; the Bronze Age earlier still.

It is vital to remember that [i]steel[/i] - a wide range of iron alloys, needing vast amounts of energy to produce - is essential to virtually [i]everything[/i] we do, use or own; directly or indirectly.

In a sense we are still living in the Iron Age. (Copper is vital for electricity, and its alloys including the bronzes are still very important engineering materials; all still involve iron and steel in working them.)

There is a saying: "There is no such thing as a free lunch", and the hazard posed by artificially raising the atmosphere's carbon-dioxide (not "carbon") proportion was first proposed at least 100 years ago when coal was the primary fuel for almost all manufacturing, transport and domestic heating.

That was ignored because the danger point was seen as so far into the future (late 21C I think) that it was hard to comprehend, plus there was arising around the world a touching idea of "taming Nature" and solving all problems by throwing enough science and engineering at it.


It is absurd to blame any one country.

Practically all countries latched onto these developments very rapidly, not least to try to replace very primitive living conditions; but our modern "Western" style society is undeniably very profligate. You mention flying: certainly a lot that is luxury not necessity. Another vast waste is represented by digital currencies like "Bitcoin": the servers dedicated to that peculiar trade alone are vast, eating gigantic amounts of electricity.

Besides, when the Industrial Revolution started in the 18C, no-one could genuinely predict its long-term effects.

There also seems a myth that life prior to the Industrial Revolution was some sort of bucolic Man/Nature harmony - if you ignore that most people lived in rather wretched conditions not much better in the "stately homes".

Man started changing the environment more or less since the end of the last glacial maximum of the present Ice Age; 8000 - 10 000 years ago. "All" that's happened is that the rates and types of change have accelerated vastly over the last two or three centuries.

No! Climate change is being pushed by the WEF to control the people, tax us more and take away cars, freedom, etc. it’s BS!

We can’t help that the rest of the world don’t have the intelligence to invent anything.

The British? No.

Hypocrites like John Kerry are responsible for the climate perceptions in some quarters.

The general rule is blame it on the Brits

Climate change exists.. If you've ever ridden in a car you're part of the cause... If you drive a yank tank, your guilty lol

Partly perhaps. U.S. transportation policy in the 20th century also contributed to climate change.

The Americans did tend to take things to excess though... Their 1950s land yatchs and ESV SUVs with names like Raptors lol...I mean really?

Yes- blame the British! We're to blame for everything apparently.

Nah, they didn’t know of the consequences of it at all.

The British didn't invent steel making and didn't invent the engines. Steel making existed over a thousand years in Africa before the Brits discovered it. There's ample proof in West Africa. The first internal combustion engine was invented in China.

Yeah….screw those Brit’s. LOL

Take a pill Bozo.

It’s progress hippies… 😎

I think sometimes yes.

It all goes back to the British, the Spaniards, and the French when you really get down to it.

"What did British ever do for us?...."