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[b]... so [i]WHY ON EARTH[/i] bother with these jabs??[/b]

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OldBrit · 61-69, M
That's because no vaccine ever in the world has ever done that.

Vaccines are designed to trigger the body's own immune system in a particular way. That makes the immune system produce antibodies and possibly TCells etc. Some of those triggers are for life (measles for example) and they stay there for ever, some have a limited lifespan and you need to regularly retrain the immune system (flu is the most obvious example).

Now some time down the track you may be exposed to the virus (or whatever) you've been trained now against. Then the immune system is ready and can rapidly attack the interloper either so that you actually don't know that you were infected (best case) or that the symptoms/outcomes are reduced thus reducing serious illnesses, hospitalisations and deaths.

In effect no vaccine really "works" until you are actually infected, although basically you would prefer prevention of infection over reduction of symptoms obviously.
MrBrownstone · 46-50, M
@OldBrit Except for small pox
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@OldBrit The measles vax simply doesn't work.
OldBrit · 61-69, M
@MrBrownstone [quote]The vaccine stimulates a person's immune system to develop antibodies and cells in the blood and elsewhere that can then help the body fight off a real smallpox infection if exposure to smallpox ever occurs.[/quote]

https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines/acam2000-smallpox-vaccine-questions-and-answers#:~:text=The%20vaccine%20stimulates%20a%20person's,exposure%20to%20smallpox%20ever%20occurs.
OldBrit · 61-69, M
@hippyjoe1955 [quote]During a large measles outbreak in Quebec City in 1989, two investigations conducted in parallel evaluated the relative risk of measles and measles vaccine effectiveness with respect to age at vaccination. The study was a school-based case-control study including 563 cases and 1126 classmate controls. The second was a cohort study of the siblings of school cases including 493 siblings aged between 1 and 19 years. The relative risks (RR) of measles were similar in both settings and the trend towards increased vaccine efficacy with increasing age at vaccination was highly significant (P < 0.001). Vaccine efficacy rose from 85% in children vaccinated at 12 months of age to > or = 94% in those vaccinated at 15 months and older. Even for children vaccinated at or after 18 months of age, the RR of measles was reduced when compared with children vaccinated between 15 and 17 months of age (RR 0.61, CI 95% 0.33-1.15). Small changes in the timing of initial measles vaccination can have a major impact on vaccine efficacy[/quote]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2271410/
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@OldBrit Then there was the outbreak in Lethbridge Alberta. For some strange reason it was not reported in the media and certainly not in the scientific papers but there was an outbreak in Lethbridge. Funny thing was that only the vaxed got the disease. Of course the other point that is never mentioned is that there is no need for the vax. Measles is a mild disease that does little harm to those who get it. However the same can not be said of the vax. It causes great harm to many who get it. Cost benefit analysis shows that those who advocate it are dupes of big pharma. The simple fact is that the human body is usually better off without medical interventions. Vaccines on the scale we see now are useless and the only beneficiary is big pharma. As we have recently witnessed with the covid jab that has killed more people than the cold it was intended to prevent. You will have to better than big pharma's talking points.
OldBrit · 61-69, M
@hippyjoe1955 measles is a killer.

UK government figures

1941 409,715 1,145
...
1963 601,255 127
...
2019 806 5

Sadly my elder brother was one of those in 1963.

Having spent 20 years working in big pharma the only reason those figures are now single digit is due to effective vaccines. It's science. But I'll defer to your clearly more accurate knowledge.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@OldBrit Nice false data. Too Funny!!!! A few years ago there was a store here in Edmonton where there was a case of measles. It was all over the news and the radio breathlessly intoned "Don't go to that store someone there has the measles". Then it added "Unless you are over 45 because you had the measles as a kid and are immune".

Strange. My vaxed grandkids couldn't go to the store but their unvaxed grandpa could? Yes we who are over a certain age all had the measles and believe it or not nobody died from it. It was an annoying disease that gave you a few days off from school. Oh BTW my vaxed grandsons have since had the measles and are now immune. There was an outbreak at their school that no one can explain. Every student there was fully vaxed. Sadly the vaxes are not harmless and even a doctor's organization is opposed to them. But you go get vaxed for a cold or the flu or what ever nostrum big pharma comes up with next. I will remain pureblood and alive.
OldBrit · 61-69, M
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@OldBrit ????
OldBrit · 61-69, M
@hippyjoe1955 I'm expecting you to tell me that I'm wrong and it's white.

My data is from the UK gov monitoring system so is not false data.

There's little point to this pointless Internet argument as you'll never accept the fundamentals in front of your eyes.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@OldBrit Measles is not a mass killer. Without knowing the comorbidities it is impossible to sole source measles as the cause of death. The facts are not in your favor. Sadly the vaxes are not without harm so the cost benefit analysis is not on the side of universal vaccination.
OldBrit · 61-69, M
@hippyjoe1955 over 1000 (in a much smaller over English population) to single digits. Doesn't support mass vaccination?
You clearly have a different stats method to mine. I'd say that's a significant effect.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@OldBrit And you can back up that data how?
OldBrit · 61-69, M
@hippyjoe1955
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/measles-deaths-by-age-group-from-1980-to-2013-ons-data/measles-notifications-and-deaths-in-england-and-wales-1940-to-2013
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@OldBrit And you believe government data why again? Given the covid scam why would anyone trust the government stats? Serious question.
OldBrit · 61-69, M
@hippyjoe1955 it's ons data

[quote]
Data source
ONS deaths statistics

Inclusion criteria
data presented here include all deaths registered in England and Wales where measles infection was included as either the primary or contributing cause of death on the death certificate.

Interpretation
Measles infection can lead to death after a short acute illness, or can lead to complications with long term sequalae that may lead to death several years later and/or may be a contributing factor to an individual’s death alongside other underlying conditions.
[/quote]
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@OldBrit You are quoting data without any verification. Anyone can create a data set and unless it is questioned and proven the data remains suspect. Let me ask you a question. please answer honestly. You are not much younger than me so in your life how many people have you known or heard of that died from measles? I don't know of anyone. I know of people killed in car accidents and farm accidents and suicide and early heart attacks and ...... but I don't know of anyone who died or lost a child to measles. Hmmmm
OldBrit · 61-69, M
@hippyjoe1955 I'll not swear but seriously!? Your questioning the ONS national dataset?

As I said before you're beyond having any rational sensible conversation with.

I even include the statement on the dataset to it's veracity.

I take my leave of this crazy house.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@OldBrit Enjoy your insanity. The vaccines are not a magic bullet. Have a nice oblivion and keep believing the government stats. Just as a note - coincidence does equal causation. IOW plumbers have saved more lives than doctors and vaccines.