To vax or not to vax - that is the Cult-of-Vid question!

@bijouxbroussard same here, I also enjoy antagonizing the right wing/anti-vaxxers by wearing a mask.

@BackyardShaman Yeah, that’s the funny part. The OP is talking about the "offensive” pro-vaxxers, who are probably concerned about getting sick. Nothing about anti-vaxxers’ resentment of those of us wearing masks, which is illogical, because our masks can’t harm them.

@bijouxbroussard I know it’s sort of an odd take on things.

@bijouxbroussard Masks were so funny - we refused to wear them and only ever got berated for it at gp places. Lockdowns and jab pushes are attempts by governments to test people's willingness to conform. thankfully a fair percentage refused.

@mksworld That’s generally the attitude of the "privileged". I’m used to it, now. I grew up with kids who were polio survivors. The vaccine saved a lot of lives and practically eradicated the disease in the U.S. I’m grateful my parents weren’t afraid of modern medicine.

My sister, a nurse, says she got the Covid vaccine when she saw all the white doctors she works with lining up to be vaccinated. She said she was pretty sure that nobody is trying to kill [b]them[/b]. 🤨

@bijouxbroussard The right to accept or not a medical treatement rests with the individual. There is no compelling case to justify covid 'vaccines'.

@mksworld I strongly believe that those who choose not to do the minimum—wear masks—or be vaccinated (unless they can’t for medical reasons) simply don’t care about possibly infecting other people, as long as their personal comfort is not infringed upon.
That’s the "privileged" attitude to which I referred.
I’m not going to argue the point. I believe they are selfish, and that’s the bottom line.

@bijouxbroussard Your world-view is clearly different to ours. You do realise what covid vaccines actually do right? And what they are 'marketed' as doing? And how the two are worlds apart? We also refuse to use electronic payments in person and try to use cash all the time. Not selfish at all - just preserving our rights to make our own choices and not be told what to do and think by business and government when it comes to our own health and wellbeing.

@mksworld Like I said , privileged and selfish. There are people who should be afraid of the government experimenting with them, because it’s happened and their lives have not been valued. But ironically, they’re not largely represented as anti-vaxxers.

There are also countries where vaccines aren’t available, people die regularly from horrible diseases and nobody cares until someone visiting from the West catches it and brings it home, then everyone’s breaking their necks to come up with a vaccine. Because [b]those[/b] lives matter.

And members of the most valued groups in Western society, the lives these doctors and scientists are trying to [b]save[/b], won’t participate.
"It’s my [b]right[/b] to not take precautions, not stay home, my right to infect other people !"
Yes. [b]Selfish[/b].

@bijouxbroussard People are not, and have not been, dying because of *lack of availability* of covid so-called 'vaccine' drugs though. We've never said covid is a sham - it's a real corona virus and does like all viruses and mutates *in response* to attacks. In the specific case of sars-cov-2 those 'attacks' are primarily natural defensive responses but now also 'adapted' responses to mrna vaccine drug antibodies. Immune escape is very real and the big reason covid 'vaccines' while great products technically are not actually working in the real world.

@mksworld More who are not vaccinated are dying from the virus, mutated or not. Overall.

@mksworld propaganda

@bijouxbroussard Define 'from the virus'. other people have quite rightly questioned this sort of statement for being false and misleading.

@mksworld Complications from the Covid virus itself. If you want actual numbers @ElwoodBlues has posted the information.

@mksworld [quote]Define 'from the virus'.[/quote] That is done by tens of thousands of city and county medical examiners all across the nation. They fill out death certificates, and the death data is collated by citiies and counties and states and posted on their websites. If just a few states or just a few medical examiners were tweaking the data, it would stand out statistically like a sore thumb.

Anyway, based on death certificate data,

In 2021, the 75% of Americans fully vaccinated produced under 20% of the Covid deaths, while the 25% unvaccinated Americans produced over 80% of the Covid deaths.

In 2021, the 75% of Americans fully vaccinated produced under 31% of Covid cases; while the 25% unvaccinated Americans produced nearly 70% of Covid cases.

This means the US unvaccinated had a 5X higher chance of contracting Covid compared to the vaccinated per capita, and that overall the unvaccinated had about a 15X higher probability of Covid death per capita.

Note: since 'Long Covid' occurs in 15% to 25% of Covid cases, that means there is also a 5X higher prevalence of Long Covid per capita among the unvaccinated.

Sources and details at https://similarworlds.com/disease-illness/vaccines/4268857-Covid-Vaccine-effectiveness-data-from-the-US-2021

@mksworld Are the Covid death numbers the result of mis-classification of other causes of death?

Here in the table are US death numbers for the top ten causes of death for six years ending in 2020. Notice how there are 20% more deaths in 2020 than the average of the previous five years? Doing the math, that's 500,000 excess deaths in 2020.

Notice how, in 2020, 345,000 of those 500,000 excess deaths are classified as Covid? Notice how almost all causes of death rose in 2020, including cancer & heart disease?
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2778234

If there's any validity to the claim that lots of deaths have been mis-classified as Covid, why did almost all causes of death increase in 2020? Wouldn't mis-classification produce a reduction in those other causes? The evidence says mis-classification is a red herring.