Oh no! Bill Clinton's got covid! But he's fully vaccinated!

@Graylight Source?

@MrBrownstone Science. Look into it.

@Graylight Oh you mean "THE Science", as determined by Fauci and passed on to the media with the order to pummel people senseless until they accept every word that comes out of their TV?

Others of us, those who believe that REAL science - as opposed to The Science - is a question of constant debate and tension, look into both sides.

There is no way of proving what you said. But if Gates and the WHO say the vaccines didn't work as they had hoped, then there must be some truth in that

@WalterF talk to the families of them very 3 million who died worldwide, and over a million died and n the US. Talk to those whose brain injury is permanent. Listen to those in ICUs crying before they were intubated about how sorry they were for not receiving the vaccines.

You anti-vaxxers have set back immunization acceptance by more than 60 years. The use of immunizations has been among the most important public health advance ever.

@samueltyler2 Sorry, but that's totally erroneous.

Talk to those who took the hastily prepared and unsafe "vaccines" and suffered life-changing adverse effects and injuries, or died. Talk to the jabbed young sportsmen dying on the field. Talk to the mothers of those kids with heart problems they never had before. Talk to the partners of those who "die suddenly" in their sleep.

What, you haven't heard of them? Ah - your input comes only from the mainstream media, then! They're still pretending these injections are safe, efficient, necessary... Lies and falsehood.

They had no idea what the jabs would do for pregnant women, yet they told them to get jabbed. Irresponsible is not the word!
They had no idea how the "vaccines" would interact with strong medications already being taken, yet they said, get jabbed!

All this for a virus that killed around 0.01% of populations, most victims being very elderly with comorbidities.

The young didn't need this! Children even less!

[b]SHAMEFUL![/b]

@WalterF I know that you will not accept anything I have to say, but I was trained in pediatrics, epidemiology, toxicology and worked in public health for nearly 50 years. [b][u]In the US there were already over a million excess deaths formally attributed to COVID.[/u][/b] Most experts believe the real number is greater, because of the usual under-reporting of infectious diseases. Further, the existence of chronic disease from the natural illness is now well accepted, including permanent changes to the brains of teenagers and others who caught the natural illness. The shame is that people like you are persisting to present information that has been debunked consistently. Not only is your attitude producing a group of people refusing to protect themselves and families from COVID, but the bleed over into all immunizations is truly frightening resulting in decreasing community immunity to easily preventable diseases that caused tens of thousands of deaths every year, before immunizations all but eliminated them!
[b]
SHAME ON YOU![/b]

@samueltyler2 How many died from the flu past 2 years?

@MrBrownstone an interesting and important question but, not germane. less than 10% of the number of those dying from COVID! But, there are great similarities, many, probably most, of those who die from my influenza have not had the flu shot, last year there were fewer cases of influenza than usual, perhaps, partly, because so.kany people worse masks!

@WalterF No, science. Fact. You don't get to control it, I don't get to control it, Fauci doesn't get to control it. If you questioned his wisdom over yours, as I'm sure you did, you were free to do the research yourself. But you weren't interested in truth, just narrative.

@Graylight You are assuming that what your TV tells you is truth.

The reasoning behind that stance is presumably that men are good. Men always tell the truth. The media will always tell the truth, because the people driving it are good. Men with astronomical sums of money in their hands are good. Men with huge influence over politics and world events and media are good.

Men in positions of power, being good, would NEVER do anything to harm or subjugate lesser populations. Having much money and power, they would never seek to get more of the same at the expense of others.

Because you believe this, you are living in a utopia of goodness, where all is well.

I don't share this belief. So I do the research, outside the box of the good media and its good message. Territory where you wil never venture, as you have found the truth through the message which the good people are sending you, 24/7.

Whatever you do, don't leave the box. It's dangerous to the mind. Makes you question many things. Destabilising, if you're a media truth believer and then you find what they've been hiding from you.

@WalterF well, I guess then, your individual research is better than the consensus of the world's top virologists, immunologists, public health officials, etc. Do you really believe that there is a worldwide conspiracy to immunize billions of people? If so, there is no way to debate this issue. You are either paranoid, or so gullible to the anti-science and anti-vaxxers that your brain has been fried, you are a Russian bot determined to destroy the west with these flawed research, or you are simply evil yourself. There are tons of reports in peer reviewed journals of the effectiveness of the current vaccines.

@samueltyler2 It's frustrating, isn't it? All those years of education, of proving oneself, of training and payment for the best education...all those intern hours and residencies and continuing education credits...

And all mental health professionals and medical experts had to do was read through the Internet to become proficient. I feel so cheated.

@samueltyler2 The consensus of the top scientists etc is NOT that at all. Thousands of other top scientists are NOT ALLOWED to speak, as their research shows results other than that preached to the masses.

There can be no consensus if you ask only scientists you like, and blank out the others.

That is not science: it is The Science, à la Fauci.

@Graylight "Reading through the internet" will allow you to find the WEF's plans for the Great Reset. Their main idea is summed up in this internet-published slogan: "You will own nothing, and you will be happy."

Looking forward to that? The date they have fixed is 2030.

You really should read the internet a bit more!

@WalterF That is total paranoid nonsense! Who fixed what date for 2030? You are sounding more crazy with every post.

@WalterF [quote]As we enter a unique window of opportunity to shape the recovery, this initiative will offer insights to help inform all those determining the future state of global relations, the direction of national economies, the priorities of societies, the nature of business models and the management of a global commons. Drawing from the vision and vast expertise of the leaders engaged across the Forum’s communities, the Great Reset initiative has a set of dimensions to build a new social contract that honours the dignity of every human being.
WEF[/quote]

The Initiative is a group, a panel. Talking. Everything even remotely resembling your words appears only in paragraph's relegated to "conspiracies."

STOP USING THE INTERNET AS A FACTUAL SOURCE.

@WalterF Thank you for quoting the Great Reset, I have to admit, I had not heard of it. But, now reading about it, I find that you appear to be misinformed about what it represents, which is the development of a platform for discussion of how to perhaps, make a world recovering from the pandemic, a better, more just and sustainable world. I can't see how you could argue against that. There doesn't appear to be any cabal working to take over the world, but an apparent legitimate interest in discussing how to move forward. I do know people who work for the world bank, and they are all honest, hard working individuals.

I generally don't push Wikipedia, but, you probably know that it is self-healing and correcting, so it is unlikely that it can be kidnapped and turned into a one sided viewpoint. I suggest you and anyone else who stumbles onto this thread, read more about the concept of the Great Reset.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Reset

"The initiative triggered a range of diverse conspiracy theories spread by the American far-right and conservative commentators on social media such as Facebook and Twitter. Such theories include baseless claims that the COVID-19 pandemic was created by a secret group in order to seize control of the global economy,[1] that lockdown restrictions were deliberately designed to induce economic meltdown,[16] or that a global elite was attempting to abolish private property while using COVID-19 to enslave humanity with vaccines.[17][12] Great Reset conspiracy theories increased in intensity when leaders such as U.S. president Joe Biden, New Zealand prime minister Jacinda Ardern and Canadian prime minister Justin Trudeau incorporated ideas of a post-COVID-19 "reset" in their speeches.[1][18]"

@samueltyler2 Did you find the strapline I mentioned?
"You will own nothing, and you will be happy"
There is no hiding that. Each one can calculate if that corresponds to his wishes for his personal future.

The World Economic Forum has the idea that society must change, from the top. No problem with them discussing ideas. However, they are not asking for debate or approval. They are imposing. They have the power, the clout and the funds to do that - worldwide. We will have no say in the matter. No voting possible. That's the worry.

And of course, the WEF being at the forefront of such change. they will ensure that every consultable source of info about them will be triple ringfenced by "fact-checkers". So Wikipedia, for example. Note the usual language: these "conspiracy theories" are found on Facebook and Twitter! They forgot Youtube - another source of conspiracy theories, according to the fact-check brigade, where blurry amateur whispered videos made with handheld cameras are rife!

@Graylight Sorry, you are not correct on that!

(1) It is surely absurd to suggest that the internet is not a factual source! A simple example: when you need a new recipe for a dessert, you google it, and you find... FACTS! (or am I wrong?)- facts, with instructions that you then act on!

(2) You need to explore the WEF site a little more. Or read WEF President Klaus Schwab's books called The Great Reset, and The Great Narrative. This is not a man playing with ideas that might or might not come to something. This is the man who founded a course for Young Globalist Leaders, which has been attended by many current or recent government leaders, including Macron, Trudeau, Merkel, Johnson too, I believe. Teaching them how to impose the Great Reset in their respective countries. Mr Schwab is not joking. He will get his way.

Read a page or two of The Great Reset (download a sample free on kindle). The language is meaningless. Hot air.

By the way, all the "conspiracy theories" mentioned in the wikipedia description of the WEF are unfortunately real, and coming to a town near you, very soon.

[i]By the way, did you know that - in the greatest linguistic coincidence in modern (or ancient) times, the letters of the term "conspiracy theorist" can be rearranged to make exactly "censorship atrocity"?[/i]

@WalterF I hardly think a recipe is a "fact:"

Definition of the word fact:
fact
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a thing that is known or proved to be true.
"he ignores some historical and economic facts"
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certainty
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information used as evidence or as part of a report or news article.
"even the most inventive journalism peters out without facts, and in this case there were no facts"
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piece of information
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the truth about events as opposed to interpretation.
"there was a question of fact as to whether they had received the letter"

@samueltyler2 Errm... and?

@samueltyler2 A recipe is of course not a fact. But the facts involved in this very simple example could be: the mixture will char if heated too long. Or: more sugar will sweeten the mixture further. These are true facts, available, like billions more, on internet

This hastily found example was in response to the lady's exhortation not to expect factual content from the internet, or something similarly unreasonable

@WalterF So your haste trapped you, so be more careful in your "research," when you look for ways to maintain and restore health!

@WalterF You assume I glean my information from TV. Never underestimate your adversary.