NOT ACCURATE. Covid 19 vaccines were tested for transmission AFTER initial deployment. And YES, they DO greatly reduce transmission.
(1) Basic germ theory tells you that people who aren't carrying an infectious disease can't spread it. The vaccine trials tested via serologic & virologic evidence that they stopped the original alpha variant in about 95% of people. If you're not infected with the virus, you can't shed the virus and thus can't infect other people.
(2) Once vaccination had begun, they DID examine the vaccine's effect on transmission. And the vaccine did GREATLY REDUCE transmission.
See https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o298
A study2 of covid-19 transmission within English households using data gathered in early 2021 found that even a single dose of a covid-19 vaccine reduced the likelihood of household transmission by 40-50%. This was supported by a study of household transmission among Scottish healthcare workers conducted between December 2020 and March 2021.3 Both studies analysed the impact of vaccination on transmission of the α variant of SARS-CoV-2, which was dominant at the time.
Also see this much larger study also showing very significant transmission reduction https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2116597
Pfizer phase 3 trial of 45,000 subjects "Safety and Efficacy of the BNT162b2 mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine" https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2034577
A two-dose regimen of BNT162b2 conferred 95% protection against Covid-19 in persons 16 years of age or older. Safety over a median of 2 months was similar to that of other viral vaccines. (Funded by BioNTech and Pfizer; ClinicalTrials.gov number, NCT04368728.)
Again, if you're not infected with the virus, you can't shed the virus and thus can't infect other people. Stopping the virus DOES stop transmission. This is why they didn't test any of the other major vaccines for transmission in their phase 3 trials either. Not measles, not rubella, not tetanus, not diptheria, not polio, not smallpox.
AFTERwards, presumably, transmission data was examined. Smallpox was eradicated because stopping infection stops transmission. Polio was almost eradicated on the same grounds although it's now creeping back into anti-vax communities. But that's another story.
@ElwoodBlues So now you want to argue with the pfizer executive who made the statement? You truly are not very bright. Let me guess you are a facebook fact checker that everyone laughs at.
@hippyjoe1955 Nope. Can't you read?? Pfizer didn't study transmission, but national health depts did. It's really not very complicated. See https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2116597
@Coolkid77 Right? It's as simple as that, but watch how many people try to misdirect and say it does prevent the spread, let's look at viral loads and herd immunity.
Not the point strawman, we were lied to repeatedly about this and it is now coming to light.
@Coolkid77 Actually, people DID test the vaccines for transmission after initial deployment. And the tests showed the vaccines DID greatly reduce transmission of the original alpha variant.
we were lied to repeatedly about this and it is now coming to light.
FALSE. The Pfizer exec said Pfizer didn't test for transmission; however the UK's NHS did test for transmission after deployment. See my post.
as people are still getting Covid being fully jabbed and boosted
Covid has changed and evolved over the past 2.5 years. The vaccines DID greatly reduce transmission of the original alpha variant.
Those of us who didn't get the shot aren't getting it more then those without the shot
DEAD WRONG!!!
In 2021, the 75% of Americans fully vaccinated produced under 20% of the Covid deaths, while the 25% unvaccinated Americans produced over 80% of the Covid deaths.
In 2021, the 75% of Americans fully vaccinated produced under 31% of Covid cases; while the 25% unvaccinated Americans produced nearly 70% of Covid cases.
This means the US unvaccinated had a 5X higher chance of contracting Covid compared to the vaccinated per capita, and that overall the unvaccinated had about a 15X higher probability of Covid death per capita.
Note: since 'Long Covid' occurs in 15% to 25% of Covid cases, that means there is also a 5X higher prevalence of Long Covid per capita among the unvaccinated.
Sources & more details at https://similarworlds.com/disease-illness/vaccines/4268857-Covid-Vaccine-effectiveness-data-from-the-US-2021
@pdockal So you believe in a GiAnTt CoNsPiRaCy among all state health depts and all national health depts in other developed countries? With no leaks and no whistleblowers? You believe city & county medical examiners got together to fake 500,000 excess deaths in 2020?
@ElwoodBlues Don't put words in my mouth Don't make assumptions Ughhhhh Why do i even bother responding to someone who's brainwashed and believes all the propaganda
@pdockal I showed you my sources of data. You haven't shown me yours. Instad, you dismiss statistical data from 50 states and dozens of countries as propaganda. That's conspiracy thinking at it's finest, my friend.
@HootyTheNightOwl Well it's what The Pfizer Executive said. So you don't believe what the Pfizer Executive Said? What if CNN posted it, would you believe them? I knew this 2 years ago.
@GeistInTheMachine Dude, I have no opinion on your looks at all. I never made any insinuation as to your relative attractiveness, but I did note you believed I did, which leads me to speculate this is a self esteem issue, and it is you yourself who feels you are ugly.
That would go a long way to explaining your nihilistic attitude, and high sensitivity to criticism.
I was taking this conversation rather lightly and in good spirits, but it seemed to really set you off.
I'm sorry, it wasn't my intention. Please be at peace.
@GeistInTheMachine The entire question and answer are available quite apart from the Blaze. It must be, I saw it a day or so ago and I don't go to the Blaze.
And alllll the grown ups stopped when they saw the "Blaze." Duuuuuude. You've taken the word of a Dutch Covid-denier and fear salesman without question. That's just dumb. Why be dumb? Want a tip if you ever decide to live in reality? When the ONLY "news" outlets that run with a story are far right wing, conspiracy-driven, con games then you KNOW what you're reading is total bullshit. That's the REAL "fake news." Man. If this whole shit storm has taught me anything it's the UNBELIEVABLE EASE in manipulating the fearful and weak of this nation. Blows my fucking mind.
"Efficacy and Safety of the mRNA-1273 SARS-CoV-2 Vaccine" https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2035389 Conclusions The mRNA-1273 vaccine showed 94.1% efficacy at preventing Covid-19 illness, including severe disease. Aside from transient local and systemic reactions, no safety concerns were identified. (Funded by the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority and the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases; COVE ClinicalTrials.gov number, NCT04470427.)
"Safety and Efficacy of the BNT162b2 mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine" https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2034577 Conclusions A two-dose regimen of BNT162b2 conferred 95% protection against Covid-19 in persons 16 years of age or older. Safety over a median of 2 months was similar to that of other viral vaccines. (Funded by BioNTech and Pfizer; ClinicalTrials.gov number, NCT04368728.)
Moderna animal trials https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMoa2024671
I don't think so You can spew what ever so called statistics you want They rushed it to market Tell me how they know the long long term ejects of the shot in such short a time frame
With or without the shot i can get covid With or without the shot i can give it to you With or without the shot i can get sick With or without the shot i can die If it protects like it should and you get the shot why do i need it Those of us who didn't get the shot aren't getting it more then those without the shot Which varient will you need a shot for next If the numbers are down its because it ran its course I've had it Loved ones gotten it Friends have gotten it after the shot Most that got the shot had side affects Some had horrible side effects Think I'm reading that the side effects are more common and dangerous then we were led to beleive
