As it should be, surely

@DavidScott Here we go again - "idiots." Do you realise how sneering that sounds? What's wrong with the attitude in the photo of this post? They're agreeng to disagree. Can't you do that?

@DavidScott I'm in two minds whether to reply to such an insult, but for your own sake I will. (I've just been in town, and I hope I haven't "caused the death" of too many others.)

This is not a clinical study, with patients and arms, where the results can easily be skewed, but rather the report of a thorough substance analysis, which is difficult to contest. However, I have no doubt that, with your unlimited capacity to insult, and your inability to give due consideration to anything that goes against the Narrative, to which you have fully subscribed, you will dismiss this as 100% fake. It's up to you. And then I suggest that this conversation should end. Here is the study. (Your first move will be to go to Fact Checker's Heaven and denigrate and insult the team that did this. Followed by another stream of invective from you on here.)

https://www.drrobertyoung.com/post/transmission-electron-microscopy-reveals-graphene-oxide-in-cov-19-vaccines

@WalterF You're a fucking idiot. [quote]The Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna COVID-19 mRNA vaccines do not contain any graphene oxide. [/quote]


https://health-desk.org/articles/how-do-we-know-graphene-oxide-isn-t-used-in-covid-19-mrna-vaccines

@DavidScott Goodbye, friend. I hope your blind faith in the Fact Checkers, paid handsomely by the Gates foundation , the WEF etc, does not let you down

@WalterF lol, "blind faith" in the people who spend their life studying the very topic we're discussing, versus your bullshit answers made up by people who know nothing about it. I am definitely not your friend. It's funny how you equate civility with conversation, yet have no respect for protecting the lives of those who wouldn't survive this pandemic by doing something as simple as wearing a mask, or getting a vaccine.

@WalterF Do you understand that the site to which you linked is self-aggrandising gibberish?

As for its author:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_O._Young

@DavidScott Polio has been coming back because of anti vaxxers so we haven't eradicated those diseases yet, they're still spreading because of anti vaccine nonsense.

[b]https://www.worldatlas.com/what-diseases-are-returning-because-of-anti-vaxxers.html[/b]

@newjaninev2 I knew you vaccine policers would have the reflexive reaction of going to wikipedia - a fully paid-up (Gates again!) supporter of the Movement.

Think for yourselves! So sad

@SatanBurger The 2019 measles epidemic in Samoa killed 83 and is directly attributable to anti-vaccination poseurs.

@WalterF So if the source is so important to you then why can't you check the background for the stuff you share? Checking the background of the people you put so much faith into would be important.

@newjaninev2 So someone who does his job is "self-aggrandising" - if his studies go against the Narrative? but a hero, if he supports it? DO YOU NOT SEE SOMETHING WRONG IN THAT LOGIC?

Is science not a field for debate, not dictatorial decree?

@WalterF It says in the wikipedia article that Young himself never claimed to be a medical doctor.

@WalterF You will be unaware that not only do I think for myself, I also have the requisite technical and academic knowledge to assess what is offered.

Consequently, I repeat... the site to which you linked is self-aggrandising gibberish

I will be [i]very[/i] happy to take you through why I say that, and to do so line by line, deception by deception, and falsehood by falsehood

@SatanBurger Check the background - do you not see that the system will automatically downgrade any potential disagreers? The sums invested in this thing are stupendous. Any media can be bought if the price is high enough (billions rather than millions). I'm glad you are happy with it all (apart from worrying about the threat from the unvaccinated). I am very worried about the direction the "free" world is taking. Freedoms - gone. What future?

@WalterF lol, you don't even know how Wikipedia works.

[quote]Unlike other top websites, Wikipedia is not funded through advertising, nor does it rely on selling data about users for profit. Instead, Wikipedia is supported by its readers - people who find value in Wikipedia and want to continue to support its success, with the average donation being about $15 USD. This financial model enables Wikipedia to remain neutral, trusted, and free from commercial interests.[/quote]

https://donate.wikimedia.org/wiki/FAQ

@WalterF [quote]science not a field for debate[/quote]

Science is evidence-based.

Let’s look at what is being offered as evidence, shall we?

I love how these media fear mongered bunnies claim that Im selfish if I don’t take this vaccine even though possibly the vaccine could kill me with my medical conditions. So they expect me to risk my life for their fear mongered comfort.
“But you’ll be saving lives!”

COVID? Maybe? (So the TV claims)

But is it going to save lives from other deaths than COVID ? Am I going to save the life of someone who…………

Is drowning?
A child about to be hit by a car?
A soldier about to be blown up by a grenade?
A convenience store clerk getting shot in the face in an armed hold up?
Save someone dying from terminal cancer?
Save someone from falling off a tall building?
Or save someone from getting Swiss cheesed up with multiple gun shot wounds
Is it going to even save someones life after getting ripped apart by a pack of angry baboons???

No??

THEN SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@WalterF

[quote]Check the background - do you not see that the system will automatically[/quote]

Ok so i think i have to point out that you're quickly losing the rational high ground here because you've gone from ostensibly relying on science which supports your claim to defending what appears to be a bad source using conspiratorial thinking.

What kind of evidence then would convince you that you're wrong?

@AwakeningConfession221122

[quote] claim that Im selfish if I don’t take this vaccine even though possibly the vaccine could kill me with my medical conditions[/quote]

But no one is saying that.
It is precisely for people like you who cannot safely take the vaccine for whom people who [i]can[/i] should be getting vaccinated.

[quote]But is it going to save lives from other deaths than COVID ?[/quote]

I'm not sure what point you're communicating here.

@Pikachu true, I was going to say basically the same thing, but I'm getting tired of arguing with people who don't have a clue what's going on. Apparently, reporting facts is now considered "fear mongering".

@Pikachu Learn this: just as I will never be able to persuade you that you're wrong, so you will never be able to persuade me that I'm wrong. NEVER. For either of us. Either way. So why not give it up?

@WalterF [quote]why not give it up?[/quote]

For my part, because you’re exposing people to harm.

Your motivation for doing that remains yours, but the lack of ethics in your actions is appalling.

[quote]you will never be able to persuade me that I'm wrong[/quote]

Speaking as a scientist, that’s such a sad thing to read