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DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
You are referring to the difference between culture (ethnicity), race and geography.
By geography they are Asians. By race they actually are a mixed, yet the origins of all Caucasians are the Arabs. So by being the originators, they are considered Caucasians. Despite they are currently mixed.
I know this because my ancestors before the first century AD on my father's side where Arabs. Yet I am Caucasian by both parents. Both being of eastern European decent.
By geography they are Asians. By race they actually are a mixed, yet the origins of all Caucasians are the Arabs. So by being the originators, they are considered Caucasians. Despite they are currently mixed.
I know this because my ancestors before the first century AD on my father's side where Arabs. Yet I am Caucasian by both parents. Both being of eastern European decent.
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ABCDEF7 · M
@SW-User You don't know how ancestry is determined by DNA. Half knowledge is dangerous. With the help of DNA sequencing, even parenthood can be confirmed, and the Court validates that.
Now you are using every illogical argument without complete knowledge just to defend your false argument, Which has been proved false on every end. Go and learn something. To learn new things that you don't know, you have to put your ego and assumptions aside.
Now you are using every illogical argument without complete knowledge just to defend your false argument, Which has been proved false on every end. Go and learn something. To learn new things that you don't know, you have to put your ego and assumptions aside.
SW-User
@ABCDEF7 That video says the people were enslaved and brought to Romania. That wiki says they escaped to Romania. Which one of them is true?
You get my point of hidden motives? Look at the video again and read that wiki article again.
And don't disturb @DeWayfarer to prove your hallucinated points. Let the people have rest.
You get my point of hidden motives? Look at the video again and read that wiki article again.
And don't disturb @DeWayfarer to prove your hallucinated points. Let the people have rest.
ABCDEF7 · M
@SW-User You are also disturbing DeWayfarer. I am sorry @DeWayfarer for the inconvenience caused to you.
@SW-User Neither the video nor the Wikipedia says they moved directly to Romania. Please check again. But Yes, many(not all) later settled in Romania.
Now the question, whether they escaped or moved as slaves. Now it will be clear with just a simple logic than just making an assumption. I am quoting again a part of wikipedia article again to emphasize on two points. And quoting some Wikipedia information about the invader Mahmud of Ghazni that was the reason of movement of Romani people from India.
It's not clear in Wikipedia that they escaped or taken as slaves. Father of Mahmud of Ghazni was a slave commander, so the practice of making slaves was common to Mahmud of Ghazni.
Now check the geography and logic. Where would someone tries to escape? Where the invader came from? to get killed/slaved there? or in opposite direction? Now a simple logic, where an invader take the slaves to? Where he came from..
It's better to use some information & simple logic instead of making assumptions.
About the Author of Video:
He is a Theoretical Physicist, Writer, Historian and Technologist. Mr. Abhijit has qualifications in subjects like World History, Geopolitics, Culture, and the impact of Technology on Civilization. He also runs a YouTube channel called ‘Abhijit Chavda’.
Source: https://www.celebritynovel.com/abhijit-chavda/
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/1lMns3-jx9Y
@SW-User Neither the video nor the Wikipedia says they moved directly to Romania. Please check again. But Yes, many(not all) later settled in Romania.
Now the question, whether they escaped or moved as slaves. Now it will be clear with just a simple logic than just making an assumption. I am quoting again a part of wikipedia article again to emphasize on two points. And quoting some Wikipedia information about the invader Mahmud of Ghazni that was the reason of movement of Romani people from India.
They most likely left to escape the invasion of Afghan general Mahmud of Ghazni early in the 11th century. Mahmud's troops probably pushed the Romani out of northern India and into the area that is now Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Iran. The Romani people arrived in Europe around the 14th century.
Mahmud was born in the town of Ghazni in the region of Zabulistan (now present-day Afghanistan) on 2 November 971. His father, Sabuktigin, was a Turkic slave commander who laid foundations to the Ghaznavid dynasty in Ghazni in 977
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmud_of_GhazniIt's not clear in Wikipedia that they escaped or taken as slaves. Father of Mahmud of Ghazni was a slave commander, so the practice of making slaves was common to Mahmud of Ghazni.
Now check the geography and logic. Where would someone tries to escape? Where the invader came from? to get killed/slaved there? or in opposite direction? Now a simple logic, where an invader take the slaves to? Where he came from..
It's better to use some information & simple logic instead of making assumptions.
About the Author of Video:
He is a Theoretical Physicist, Writer, Historian and Technologist. Mr. Abhijit has qualifications in subjects like World History, Geopolitics, Culture, and the impact of Technology on Civilization. He also runs a YouTube channel called ‘Abhijit Chavda’.
Source: https://www.celebritynovel.com/abhijit-chavda/
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/1lMns3-jx9Y
ElRengo · 70-79, M
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CountScrofula · 41-45, M
You wanna know if someone is white or not, ask a racist. They're the ones who do the gatekeeping.
SW-User
I don’t have the energy for this one
BlueVeins · 22-25
Arabs are typically not socially defined as white, but it's ultimately arbitrary.
Tracos · 51-55, M
Why put labels on everything .. human suffices
Moon3624 · 18-21, F
Asia is a continent
the Middle East is a geopolitical region with many ethnic groups and the term itself
has different definitions you’ll see so many maps excluding and including countries .
Can you name me all the countries in the Middle East?
Also the Middle East includes Egypt which is in Africa and Turkey & Cyprus which are considered European.
Arabs are not white .
The term white itself is vague and means nothing.
The reason middle Easterners including Arabs are considered white in American census is because Jesus was middle eastern so they had to put the Middle East in the white box .
But Arab has become a very loose term as
Anyone who speaks Arabic is an Arab
It’s like saying Mexicans and Spainards are same because they both speak Spanish
the Middle East is a geopolitical region with many ethnic groups and the term itself
has different definitions you’ll see so many maps excluding and including countries .
Can you name me all the countries in the Middle East?
Also the Middle East includes Egypt which is in Africa and Turkey & Cyprus which are considered European.
Arabs are not white .
The term white itself is vague and means nothing.
The reason middle Easterners including Arabs are considered white in American census is because Jesus was middle eastern so they had to put the Middle East in the white box .
But Arab has become a very loose term as
Anyone who speaks Arabic is an Arab
It’s like saying Mexicans and Spainards are same because they both speak Spanish
Moon3624 · 18-21, F
@AthrillatheHunt you did not reply to what i just sent
Can you also screenshot where. I said that
Can you also screenshot where. I said that
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@Moon3624 “they are genetically the same people “. That is a fact . You even said “but even so “.
Some received the word of the creator 4 thousand years ago , some only 1300 years ago. Same creator. Same message .
Some received the word of the creator 4 thousand years ago , some only 1300 years ago. Same creator. Same message .
Moon3624 · 18-21, F
@AthrillatheHunt
Let me teach you what facts are:
1/
Judaism = a religion with different sects that believe in the Torah , Jesus is not the messiah , Mohammed is a false prophet.
This is why Abraham Jacob etc are by definition not Jewish because they didn’t know about Moses or the Torah or Mohammed or Jesus etc and they never identified as a Jew .
And
Hence why you can get a free trip to Israel with birthright if you convert to Judaism and this is why majority of Yemenite Jews (not just them ) are decedents of converts to Judaism when Yemen converted to Judaism
(yes there was a time when Yemen converted to Judaism and had a Jewish king lmao)
Hence why you also get this :
Jewish identity revolves completely around religious stories . Even the non religious Jews , their identity revolves around religion just like the Christians who celebrate Christain holidays and say “Jesus “ when surprised when they aren’t Christian .
Meanwhile
Israelites (do not confuse with the word Israeli which means a citizen of a settler colonial parasite state that’s younger than my grandma ) :
People who decent from a man named Jacob who embraced different religions. You cannot support the claim you are an Israelite since we do not have the dna of Jacob to compare it to yours. Palestinians decedent from the ancient Israelites and Canaanites.
Now that we have established that
Judaism ≠ Israelites
And Israelites ≠ state of Israel
We can continue to point 2
2/ the idea that jews genetically cluster is absolute trash🤣
North African Jews cluster closest to North Africans
Yemenite Jews cluster closest to Yemenis and Saudis (literally almost every single dna test I take as a Saudi puts Yemenite Jew closer to me than even palestians )
European Jews cluster closest to European
Etc…
The reason why -Mena - Jews do look similar to Palestinians . It’s not because they equal Palestinians but
Because ALL of mena people regardless of their location and ethnic groups cluster close together looks and dna wise 🤣 does that mean an Omani can leave his village go ethnic cleanse a Yemeni village and fill it with Omanis and say oh well we are genetically related ?
Can a Saudi leave his village and go ethnic cleanse a village in Palestine/israel ?
It doesn’t work like that.
If a Jew walks in the strest with normal attire I cannot tell that he is a Jew . There is no unique features about them at all and they all look different.
Now when it comes to culture that’s the same thing there is no Jewish culture that unites all Jews outside of religion
And even if there is you’d find them to be very few examples of CERTAIN Jewish groups in certain countries and not a global shared thing between Jews.
You’d say “oh wait what about Hebrew a language so that makes them an ethnic group!”
lol most of history majority of Jews didn’t speak Hebrew
In fact less a 100 years ago most Jews didn’t speak it
Are you saying Jews were not Jews until they started speaking Hebrew ?
(also modern Hebrew ≠ ancient Hebrew )
the Yemenite Jews who lived in Yemen spoke Arabic dressed as Yemeni ate Yemeni food genetically Yemeni and
They were 100% Yemeni except for their religion . So were they not Jews since Judaism is only about language ?🤣
Hebrew is a language that died like a trillion other languages that died and were replaced by other languages
Even Arabs used to speak a different language before Arabic
the people who spoke those languages that ceased to exist still exist but adapted a different one
The reason Hebrew is impotent is because of its religious importance and was revived by people with religious ties .
For example if Arabic countries all adopt a new language and Arabic parishes (like colonialism or something )
Non Arab Muslims (etc Indonesians )
will revive Arabic and maybe end up speaking it because the Quran is in Arabic and the meaning will get lost if Arabic gets lost.
Does that mean theyr Arabs ? Absolutely not.
In fact there are many people today who speak Arabic but aren’t Arabs like majority of Egyptians 🤣
Majority of Egyptians literally decedent from ancient Egyptians.
So just because someone speaks Hebrew does not mean they magically decedent from people who lived in that land thousands of years. The settler colony of Israel literally had people speaking different languages not long ago and to unite them they revived Hebrew and it became the language that unified the new colony
So my question is were they not Jewish before they spoke Hebrew ? It’s a legitimate question.
😵💫😵💫
Judaism was always a religion
But when Israel was created
People confused Judaism with nationalism.
3/
the idea that there was a land where people called Jews originate from and solely belonged to them never existed in history .
And even according to them
Abraham came from Mesopotamia (
Iraq ) and was part of an already existing community in Iraq
He left it and went to Canaan (modern Palestine )
So he was an immigrant to Palestine .
Later on
The Israelites took the land from the Canaanites
How can you be the indigenous when people already lived there and u fought them to take it and ur forefather came from Iraq?
So technically Jews were invaders who ruled the land (not even all of it ) for 250ish years
Making them no different to the Romans except that the Romans ruled much longer😵💫🤣
So what’s next they will go ethnic cleanse Iraqis take their homes and land and populate it with foreigners and say “ oh well because we are self proclaimed Israelites and x thousand years ago Abraham came from here this is our land . “
Will you accept it ? That’s literally the lunatic logic they use for Palestine.
Btw the Zionists were considering making Argentina and many other options Their Jewish colony it just so happened that they got Palestine 🤣 so it definitely colonization and settler colonialism and the victim just so happened to be end up being poor Palestine
4/ the Jews who were in Palestine before the Zionist movement are the only Jews who have a right to stay in that land everyone else is a settler colonist .
5/
if you insist that Jews are an ethnic group that’s fine by me I won’t debate you on that
But even then, they believe that Abraham came from Iraq so wdym Palestine is their land?
Also some Arabs decedent from Ishmael others don’t. I come from the bani tamim tribe and we decedent from Ishmael
Ishmael was born in Palestine
His father Abraham was from Iraq
And his mother hajar was from Egypt
And he married a woman from the arabian peninsula
So the decedents of Ishmael have a right to all of the Middle East more or less.
So can I today say “since Ishmael was kicked out of his home I’ll go ethnic cleanse Palestinians take their land and fill it with my people “
?
Can I go to any village in Egypt or Iraq
And do that with that logic?
Absolutely not
6/ lastly ,
you can go right and left all day
It won’t change the fact that masses of people came from ABROAD , displaced the people (Palestinians ) already living in that land and stole it through terror theft and ethnic cleansing and still do. Displaced them from their villages lands and towns.
I mean I’m sure you heard of Bella hadid who is a famous American model of Palestinian origin
Her father when he was 9 days old and in his mother’s arm was thrown out from his home and ethnically cleansed by do you know who? A Polish Jewish family.
So Bella’s family hosted a Polish Jewish family who literally came from Poland in their home
But in 1948 They
Threw Bella’s grandmother out of her own home and locked the house and
while she was held a baby in her arms ( Bella’s father ) she turned into a refugee .
Literally her own house was stolen.
I as a Saudi if I leave my city in Saudi and go to another city in Saudi and displace its people and fill it with ppl from my city and steal their homes
That’s a crime
Doesn’t matter what logic I use.
That’s land theft and displacement.
A crime is crime
But whatever story u use to make u sleep at night
Doesn’t change what Israel is.
A settler colony and an apartheid state
Let me teach you what facts are:
1/
Judaism = a religion with different sects that believe in the Torah , Jesus is not the messiah , Mohammed is a false prophet.
This is why Abraham Jacob etc are by definition not Jewish because they didn’t know about Moses or the Torah or Mohammed or Jesus etc and they never identified as a Jew .
And
Hence why you can get a free trip to Israel with birthright if you convert to Judaism and this is why majority of Yemenite Jews (not just them ) are decedents of converts to Judaism when Yemen converted to Judaism
(yes there was a time when Yemen converted to Judaism and had a Jewish king lmao)
Hence why you also get this :
Jewish identity revolves completely around religious stories . Even the non religious Jews , their identity revolves around religion just like the Christians who celebrate Christain holidays and say “Jesus “ when surprised when they aren’t Christian .
Meanwhile
Israelites (do not confuse with the word Israeli which means a citizen of a settler colonial parasite state that’s younger than my grandma ) :
People who decent from a man named Jacob who embraced different religions. You cannot support the claim you are an Israelite since we do not have the dna of Jacob to compare it to yours. Palestinians decedent from the ancient Israelites and Canaanites.
Now that we have established that
Judaism ≠ Israelites
And Israelites ≠ state of Israel
We can continue to point 2
2/ the idea that jews genetically cluster is absolute trash🤣
North African Jews cluster closest to North Africans
Yemenite Jews cluster closest to Yemenis and Saudis (literally almost every single dna test I take as a Saudi puts Yemenite Jew closer to me than even palestians )
European Jews cluster closest to European
Etc…
The reason why -Mena - Jews do look similar to Palestinians . It’s not because they equal Palestinians but
Because ALL of mena people regardless of their location and ethnic groups cluster close together looks and dna wise 🤣 does that mean an Omani can leave his village go ethnic cleanse a Yemeni village and fill it with Omanis and say oh well we are genetically related ?
Can a Saudi leave his village and go ethnic cleanse a village in Palestine/israel ?
It doesn’t work like that.
If a Jew walks in the strest with normal attire I cannot tell that he is a Jew . There is no unique features about them at all and they all look different.
Now when it comes to culture that’s the same thing there is no Jewish culture that unites all Jews outside of religion
And even if there is you’d find them to be very few examples of CERTAIN Jewish groups in certain countries and not a global shared thing between Jews.
You’d say “oh wait what about Hebrew a language so that makes them an ethnic group!”
lol most of history majority of Jews didn’t speak Hebrew
In fact less a 100 years ago most Jews didn’t speak it
Are you saying Jews were not Jews until they started speaking Hebrew ?
(also modern Hebrew ≠ ancient Hebrew )
the Yemenite Jews who lived in Yemen spoke Arabic dressed as Yemeni ate Yemeni food genetically Yemeni and
They were 100% Yemeni except for their religion . So were they not Jews since Judaism is only about language ?🤣
Hebrew is a language that died like a trillion other languages that died and were replaced by other languages
Even Arabs used to speak a different language before Arabic
the people who spoke those languages that ceased to exist still exist but adapted a different one
The reason Hebrew is impotent is because of its religious importance and was revived by people with religious ties .
For example if Arabic countries all adopt a new language and Arabic parishes (like colonialism or something )
Non Arab Muslims (etc Indonesians )
will revive Arabic and maybe end up speaking it because the Quran is in Arabic and the meaning will get lost if Arabic gets lost.
Does that mean theyr Arabs ? Absolutely not.
In fact there are many people today who speak Arabic but aren’t Arabs like majority of Egyptians 🤣
Majority of Egyptians literally decedent from ancient Egyptians.
So just because someone speaks Hebrew does not mean they magically decedent from people who lived in that land thousands of years. The settler colony of Israel literally had people speaking different languages not long ago and to unite them they revived Hebrew and it became the language that unified the new colony
So my question is were they not Jewish before they spoke Hebrew ? It’s a legitimate question.
😵💫😵💫
Judaism was always a religion
But when Israel was created
People confused Judaism with nationalism.
3/
the idea that there was a land where people called Jews originate from and solely belonged to them never existed in history .
And even according to them
Abraham came from Mesopotamia (
Iraq ) and was part of an already existing community in Iraq
He left it and went to Canaan (modern Palestine )
So he was an immigrant to Palestine .
Later on
The Israelites took the land from the Canaanites
How can you be the indigenous when people already lived there and u fought them to take it and ur forefather came from Iraq?
So technically Jews were invaders who ruled the land (not even all of it ) for 250ish years
Making them no different to the Romans except that the Romans ruled much longer😵💫🤣
So what’s next they will go ethnic cleanse Iraqis take their homes and land and populate it with foreigners and say “ oh well because we are self proclaimed Israelites and x thousand years ago Abraham came from here this is our land . “
Will you accept it ? That’s literally the lunatic logic they use for Palestine.
Btw the Zionists were considering making Argentina and many other options Their Jewish colony it just so happened that they got Palestine 🤣 so it definitely colonization and settler colonialism and the victim just so happened to be end up being poor Palestine
4/ the Jews who were in Palestine before the Zionist movement are the only Jews who have a right to stay in that land everyone else is a settler colonist .
5/
if you insist that Jews are an ethnic group that’s fine by me I won’t debate you on that
But even then, they believe that Abraham came from Iraq so wdym Palestine is their land?
Also some Arabs decedent from Ishmael others don’t. I come from the bani tamim tribe and we decedent from Ishmael
Ishmael was born in Palestine
His father Abraham was from Iraq
And his mother hajar was from Egypt
And he married a woman from the arabian peninsula
So the decedents of Ishmael have a right to all of the Middle East more or less.
So can I today say “since Ishmael was kicked out of his home I’ll go ethnic cleanse Palestinians take their land and fill it with my people “
?
Can I go to any village in Egypt or Iraq
And do that with that logic?
Absolutely not
6/ lastly ,
you can go right and left all day
It won’t change the fact that masses of people came from ABROAD , displaced the people (Palestinians ) already living in that land and stole it through terror theft and ethnic cleansing and still do. Displaced them from their villages lands and towns.
I mean I’m sure you heard of Bella hadid who is a famous American model of Palestinian origin
Her father when he was 9 days old and in his mother’s arm was thrown out from his home and ethnically cleansed by do you know who? A Polish Jewish family.
So Bella’s family hosted a Polish Jewish family who literally came from Poland in their home
But in 1948 They
Threw Bella’s grandmother out of her own home and locked the house and
while she was held a baby in her arms ( Bella’s father ) she turned into a refugee .
Literally her own house was stolen.
I as a Saudi if I leave my city in Saudi and go to another city in Saudi and displace its people and fill it with ppl from my city and steal their homes
That’s a crime
Doesn’t matter what logic I use.
That’s land theft and displacement.
A crime is crime
But whatever story u use to make u sleep at night
Doesn’t change what Israel is.
A settler colony and an apartheid state
LeopoldBloom · M
The US Census Bureau considers people from the Middle East and North Africa to be white.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@LeopoldBloom imagine Muslim nations allowing Jews to hold positions of power in their governments like Israel does .
Moon3624 · 18-21, F
“ imagine Muslim nations allowing Jews to hold positions of power in their governments like Israel does .”
Jews did hold positions of power throughout history in Muslim empires .
But most importantly I don’t know how Judaism and Islam (or any other religion) have to do with the topic of settler colonialism.
Imagine going to a village in Africa and ethnically cleansing many of its residents and start a settler colony on top of it and when they resist you , you bring up the fact that it’s because they’re Christian .
Can you illustrate to me how is their faith relevant ?
Also I hate Iran yet I don’t believe it’s a settler colony
Lebanon is half Christian and has a Christian president yet I don’t call Lebanon a settler colony.
You are a settler colony because -factually- you are. It has nothing to do with judaism .
I sent a long message above
And you replied to none of the points given to u
Do u need me to resend it ?
@AthrillatheHunt
@LeopoldBloom
Jews did hold positions of power throughout history in Muslim empires .
But most importantly I don’t know how Judaism and Islam (or any other religion) have to do with the topic of settler colonialism.
Imagine going to a village in Africa and ethnically cleansing many of its residents and start a settler colony on top of it and when they resist you , you bring up the fact that it’s because they’re Christian .
Can you illustrate to me how is their faith relevant ?
Also I hate Iran yet I don’t believe it’s a settler colony
Lebanon is half Christian and has a Christian president yet I don’t call Lebanon a settler colony.
You are a settler colony because -factually- you are. It has nothing to do with judaism .
I sent a long message above
And you replied to none of the points given to u
Do u need me to resend it ?
@AthrillatheHunt
@LeopoldBloom
Moon3624 · 18-21, F
@LeopoldBloom
“ There are two million non-Jewish Israeli citizens, “
1/ There are Native Americans with American citizenship that does not change the historical fact that native Americans were ethnically cleansed and genocided.
2/
Many of the non Jewish Israelis are locals (in other word Palestinian ) whom the Zionist settler colonial movement was not able to displace or they became traitors
(It’s almost impossible to ethnically cleanse 100% of the people after all)
Also in a lot of human right organization records they face discrimination.
But even if we believe they don’t , it doesn’t change point number 1 .
It reminds of the ppl who say I’m not racist I have a black friend lol
3/
Israel does not mind as long as they’re a minority. This is why even though the Palestinians are stateless and in the legal sense are citizens of Israel they aren’t .
This is why I keep saying if everyone in that land today was equally given the right to vote
Even just once
Zionism would end today before tomorrow .
4/ it’s problematic when you say “Israel has 2 mil Arab citizens “
This ambiguous word “Arab”
It’s on purpose.
While they’re actually the locals who have been living in that land for generations and generations before the foreigners arrived not long ago and stole their land .
That is the issue.
Imagine a foreign group takes over Egypt and ethnically cleanses Egyptians except for some
Then gives those handful citizenship calling them “Arab citizens of x nation “
But they are actually the locals
It’s the same exact story.
It’s like going to Mexico ethnically cleansing Mexicans and then calling them “Spanish people of x nation “
It’s like going to Saudi Arabia ethnically cleansing their villages and cities and filling them with foreigners from abroad
then calling the handful u gave citizenship “Arab citizens of x nation “
This ambiguous Arab word
As if they can just pack their bags and move to Iraq or Oman cuz well they both speak Arabic as well.
It should be changed to “natives”
Because Arab is an ambiguous and general word.
I mean the story of Bella hadid’s family is crazy.
Her grandmother took a Polish Jewish immigrant family into her home
2 months later in 1948
She came back with her 9 day old son (Bella’s dad ) in her arms to her home after a walk to see that the POLISH Jewish immigrant family locked her house and refused to let her into her own home and told her to leave 🤣🤣
————————————
“while there are only 10,000 Jews in the entire rest of the Middle East and North Africa. You're focusing on the wrong group that was ethnically cleansed.”
1/That only happened AFTER I repeat AFTER the creation of Israel not before.
If israel was not created that would not have happened. Maybe you should blame Zionism after all.
2/ After the invader Europeans created Israel they needed more numbers so they called out for Jews in mena
Using money terror and intimidation .
3/ but even if we say those mena nations threw out their Jews after Israel was created as punishment or fear of betrayal by followers of the Jewish religion
Then go blame those nations and their leaders
And tell them to take back their people
Not the palestians who are a victim of ethnic cleansing by Zionists.
Blaming them for something someone else did? Why ?
4/
EVEN if the mena countries according to u didn’t kick out their Jews , either way
Israel would still exist and the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians would still have happened so ur point is irrelevant .
———
“You also have it backwards. Jews are the natives. It's the Palestinians who are the settler colonialists.”
1/ Jew and Palestinian are not contradictory words. Palestinian refers to the residents of the land between the river and sea before the Zionist settler colonial movement . Where people from abroad arrived and took peoples homes through violent actions and theft .
2/ explain to me how are the locals who were living in that land and in their homes villages and cities minding their business are settler colonists but continuous immigrants from Russia Poland etc who stole the land thru ethnic cleansing and violence are not the settler colonists ?
“ There are two million non-Jewish Israeli citizens, “
1/ There are Native Americans with American citizenship that does not change the historical fact that native Americans were ethnically cleansed and genocided.
2/
Many of the non Jewish Israelis are locals (in other word Palestinian ) whom the Zionist settler colonial movement was not able to displace or they became traitors
(It’s almost impossible to ethnically cleanse 100% of the people after all)
Also in a lot of human right organization records they face discrimination.
But even if we believe they don’t , it doesn’t change point number 1 .
It reminds of the ppl who say I’m not racist I have a black friend lol
3/
Israel does not mind as long as they’re a minority. This is why even though the Palestinians are stateless and in the legal sense are citizens of Israel they aren’t .
This is why I keep saying if everyone in that land today was equally given the right to vote
Even just once
Zionism would end today before tomorrow .
4/ it’s problematic when you say “Israel has 2 mil Arab citizens “
This ambiguous word “Arab”
It’s on purpose.
While they’re actually the locals who have been living in that land for generations and generations before the foreigners arrived not long ago and stole their land .
That is the issue.
Imagine a foreign group takes over Egypt and ethnically cleanses Egyptians except for some
Then gives those handful citizenship calling them “Arab citizens of x nation “
But they are actually the locals
It’s the same exact story.
It’s like going to Mexico ethnically cleansing Mexicans and then calling them “Spanish people of x nation “
It’s like going to Saudi Arabia ethnically cleansing their villages and cities and filling them with foreigners from abroad
then calling the handful u gave citizenship “Arab citizens of x nation “
This ambiguous Arab word
As if they can just pack their bags and move to Iraq or Oman cuz well they both speak Arabic as well.
It should be changed to “natives”
Because Arab is an ambiguous and general word.
I mean the story of Bella hadid’s family is crazy.
Her grandmother took a Polish Jewish immigrant family into her home
2 months later in 1948
She came back with her 9 day old son (Bella’s dad ) in her arms to her home after a walk to see that the POLISH Jewish immigrant family locked her house and refused to let her into her own home and told her to leave 🤣🤣
————————————
“while there are only 10,000 Jews in the entire rest of the Middle East and North Africa. You're focusing on the wrong group that was ethnically cleansed.”
1/That only happened AFTER I repeat AFTER the creation of Israel not before.
If israel was not created that would not have happened. Maybe you should blame Zionism after all.
2/ After the invader Europeans created Israel they needed more numbers so they called out for Jews in mena
Using money terror and intimidation .
3/ but even if we say those mena nations threw out their Jews after Israel was created as punishment or fear of betrayal by followers of the Jewish religion
Then go blame those nations and their leaders
And tell them to take back their people
Not the palestians who are a victim of ethnic cleansing by Zionists.
Blaming them for something someone else did? Why ?
4/
EVEN if the mena countries according to u didn’t kick out their Jews , either way
Israel would still exist and the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians would still have happened so ur point is irrelevant .
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“You also have it backwards. Jews are the natives. It's the Palestinians who are the settler colonialists.”
1/ Jew and Palestinian are not contradictory words. Palestinian refers to the residents of the land between the river and sea before the Zionist settler colonial movement . Where people from abroad arrived and took peoples homes through violent actions and theft .
2/ explain to me how are the locals who were living in that land and in their homes villages and cities minding their business are settler colonists but continuous immigrants from Russia Poland etc who stole the land thru ethnic cleansing and violence are not the settler colonists ?
ABCDEF7 · M
Arabs are typically classified as White in demographic terms in the United States and many Western countries. This classification is based on official census guidelines where individuals of Middle Eastern and North African descent are categorized under the White racial category.
Historically, Arabs trace their ancestry through Ishmael, son of Abraham, according to Abrahamic tradition. While geographically close to Asia, Arabs culturally and genetically distinguish themselves from what is commonly referred to as Asian populations.
Some say that indigenous Arabs are descendants of the earliest Eurasian populations, as the Arabian Peninsula was the site of migrations out of Africa between 125,000 and 60,000 years ago.
Historically, Arabs trace their ancestry through Ishmael, son of Abraham, according to Abrahamic tradition. While geographically close to Asia, Arabs culturally and genetically distinguish themselves from what is commonly referred to as Asian populations.
Some say that indigenous Arabs are descendants of the earliest Eurasian populations, as the Arabian Peninsula was the site of migrations out of Africa between 125,000 and 60,000 years ago.
SW-User
They are Caucasian. Anyone who thinks they aren't doesn't understand what Caucasian is.
popmol · 26-30, M
@SW-User damn really?
this one i knew, (without the note)
and i knew this
but if these are correct, neither one is a great or stupid term. as theres a big difference between arabs and southern europe and northern europe 🤣 but would all be considered white/caucasian.
of or relating to a group of people having European ancestry, classified according to physical traits (such as light skin pigmentation), and formerly considered to constitute a race of humans
Note: People of North African and southwest Asian ancestry were historically also sometimes considered to be of the Caucasian race.
Note: People of North African and southwest Asian ancestry were historically also sometimes considered to be of the Caucasian race.
this one i knew, (without the note)
and i knew this
Caucasian has two fairly distinct meanings, and the difference between them occasionally leads people to aver that one of them is incorrect. The earliest sense of the word is a literal one: “of or relating to the Caucasus (a region in southeastern Europe between the Black and Caspian seas) or its inhabitants.” The second refers to the racial group commonly referred to as white.
but if these are correct, neither one is a great or stupid term. as theres a big difference between arabs and southern europe and northern europe 🤣 but would all be considered white/caucasian.
SW-User
@popmol What is the difference? Arabs just have a darker complexion, and even that isn't universally true. There are very pale Arabs. I am Jewish (Eastern Europe) and much more tanned than a lot of Arabs I have seen.
popmol · 26-30, M
@SW-User haven't seen any of those 🤔 they all look like spanish people or similar to me.
Bumbles · 51-55, M
Those race designations are man-made so I don't think everything needs to be one or the other.
Bumbles · 51-55, M
@FrogManSometimesLooksBothWays I had an Anthropology professor who explained this quite well.
calicuz · 56-60, M
@FrogManSometimesLooksBothWays
I disagree, bloodline is everything in knowing who we are and where we come from. This sounds more like a "cop-out" for those who did not keep track of their bloodline, believing it isn't important. I am no more a descendent of the Egyption Pharaohs, which in fact makes me a different "genetic blood line."
I disagree, bloodline is everything in knowing who we are and where we come from. This sounds more like a "cop-out" for those who did not keep track of their bloodline, believing it isn't important. I am no more a descendent of the Egyption Pharaohs, which in fact makes me a different "genetic blood line."
ElRengo · 70-79, M
You are taking words as concepts, a common mistake.
In this case Geography and Populations.
Our species, humans, had been (and is) a migratory one.
And genetically mixed since the very begining.
In this case Geography and Populations.
Our species, humans, had been (and is) a migratory one.
And genetically mixed since the very begining.
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ElRengo · 70-79, M
@Roundandroundwego
I´m anti colonialist.
And I don´t think that religion may make a serious description of the natural world.
Can´t see your point.
I´m anti colonialist.
And I don´t think that religion may make a serious description of the natural world.
Can´t see your point.
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calicuz · 56-60, M
They are actually Middle Eastern. You refer to them by their region of origin. Like "South East Asians."
Jews are considered Caucasian. Interestingly Arabs and Jews have similar DNA profiles.
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AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@FrogManSometimesLooksBothWays many people believe only whites can be colonizers .
@AthrillatheHunt The Chinese have been called The Jews of the East because of their prosperous communities in Southeast Asia. The Chinese are hated.
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Dv8rs · 18-21, F
Caucasoid, Mongoloid, and Negroid.
BittersweetPotato · 31-35, F
Are Americans white? You can find all skin colours in America.
Are Arabs white? You can find all skin colours amongst Arabs.
Are Arabs white? You can find all skin colours amongst Arabs.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@BittersweetPotato if you’re looking for a point you’re gunna be looking for a long time dude . Lol
BittersweetPotato · 31-35, F
@AthrillatheHunt Huh?
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@BittersweetPotato Arabs are Caucasian . There’s no point to any of this .
SW-User
Yeah when I have to fill out a form and it says arab or middle eastern it’s referred to as white/Caucasian which confuses me because I don’t consider myself WHITE like whites. lol
IamBack · 31-35, M
In the 21st century, in 2023 and we still need to label people and put them in buckets?
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AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@Moon3624 The European immigration numbers tell a different story. you don’t invite millions of people you hate into your home . But I doubt that if Israel ceased to exist that Europe would welcome millions of Jewish immigrants .
Moon3624 · 18-21, F
@AthrillatheHunt
it’s literally an established fact that while it varied
Muslim empires in general tolerated and accepted Jews more than their Christian European counterparts. You denying this fact is like denying 1+1=2
😂😆
Plus most of history the population of Jews in Muslim empires exceeded the number of Jews in Christian empires .
it was only the 17th century and beyond (literally 10-11 centuries after Islam) where Jews in Muslim lands and in Christian lands started to be more balanced and eventually particularly in 18th century and beyond the Jews in christain empires exceeded the number of Jews in Muslim empires due to the decline & division of the Muslim world.
Why would hitler , a killer of masses of civilian people be a hero to Muslims ?
In fact the closer you get to the source of Islam , the more the Muslims were tolerant of Jews
While it was the opposite for christians the more you get closer to the source of Christianity the more they were intolerant of Jews and the more they became secular they became more tolerant of Jews.
This is easy to prove for instance
During the time of prophet Mohammed
When he was ruling over Medina
He gave all the Jews of Medina the same rights as the Muslims in Medina as shown in the constitution of Medina until few tribes did treason so some were expelled and one was killed and the one was killed not even based on Islam but because they chose to be judged according to Deuteronomy law.
Right after it came medieval Islam and the Islamic golden age where Jews flourished .
Tbh Jews should fear Moses more than anyone since he
slaughtered 3000 Israelites for worshipping the calf according to their Torah lol lol
I never see u talk ab the tolerance of Jews in history
Jewish Himyarite kingdom of Yemen was intolerant of the Christians of Najran
Ironically Christians of Najran were tolerated by Mohammed and he even let them do their Christain prayers inside his mosque.
The Jewish kingdoms in Levant were known for slaughtering and geocoding the Canaanites among others
The state of Israel was established by foreigners who came from abroad and ethnically cleansing 70% of the local population to create a Jewish supremacy land consisting of Jews who are foreign becoming the most condemned nation in the UN.
Jews in history pioneered in driving people into debt and interest, slavery and participation in the oppression of many people including apartheid Africa
Idk why ppl seem to think Jews have been a peaceful pigeon all of history
When they weren’t much different to other groups.
But never see u talk ab that hmm
it’s literally an established fact that while it varied
Muslim empires in general tolerated and accepted Jews more than their Christian European counterparts. You denying this fact is like denying 1+1=2
😂😆
Plus most of history the population of Jews in Muslim empires exceeded the number of Jews in Christian empires .
it was only the 17th century and beyond (literally 10-11 centuries after Islam) where Jews in Muslim lands and in Christian lands started to be more balanced and eventually particularly in 18th century and beyond the Jews in christain empires exceeded the number of Jews in Muslim empires due to the decline & division of the Muslim world.
Why would hitler , a killer of masses of civilian people be a hero to Muslims ?
In fact the closer you get to the source of Islam , the more the Muslims were tolerant of Jews
While it was the opposite for christians the more you get closer to the source of Christianity the more they were intolerant of Jews and the more they became secular they became more tolerant of Jews.
This is easy to prove for instance
During the time of prophet Mohammed
When he was ruling over Medina
He gave all the Jews of Medina the same rights as the Muslims in Medina as shown in the constitution of Medina until few tribes did treason so some were expelled and one was killed and the one was killed not even based on Islam but because they chose to be judged according to Deuteronomy law.
Right after it came medieval Islam and the Islamic golden age where Jews flourished .
Tbh Jews should fear Moses more than anyone since he
slaughtered 3000 Israelites for worshipping the calf according to their Torah lol lol
I never see u talk ab the tolerance of Jews in history
Jewish Himyarite kingdom of Yemen was intolerant of the Christians of Najran
Ironically Christians of Najran were tolerated by Mohammed and he even let them do their Christain prayers inside his mosque.
The Jewish kingdoms in Levant were known for slaughtering and geocoding the Canaanites among others
The state of Israel was established by foreigners who came from abroad and ethnically cleansing 70% of the local population to create a Jewish supremacy land consisting of Jews who are foreign becoming the most condemned nation in the UN.
Jews in history pioneered in driving people into debt and interest, slavery and participation in the oppression of many people including apartheid Africa
Idk why ppl seem to think Jews have been a peaceful pigeon all of history
When they weren’t much different to other groups.
But never see u talk ab that hmm
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@Moon3624 the creation of the state of Israel was shady as hell. Zionists ignoring mandates about people and weapons entering Palestine mandate post WW2 what they are now doing in Gaza is punishment or payback at this point and it must stop . Good enough for you ?
calicuz · 56-60, M
I'm pretty sure the "Whites" got lumped in with the Arabs, who are Asians, because the Arab World is a part of West Asia, and White people are from neither the Caucasus Mountains or Asia, hence, Cauc - asian.
BohemianBabe · M
@calicuz It can get confusing. Most Arabs are from West Asia, which makes them Asians, and a lot of them are light-skinned enough to be white.
calicuz · 56-60, M
@BohemianBabe
That is very true. All races and nationalities can have people with very light skin. I'm Mexican American, and in our Mexican Culture when our kids are born with very light skin we many times nick name them "Wedo" or "Weda," and it's simply a slang term that translates to "White." 🙂
That is very true. All races and nationalities can have people with very light skin. I'm Mexican American, and in our Mexican Culture when our kids are born with very light skin we many times nick name them "Wedo" or "Weda," and it's simply a slang term that translates to "White." 🙂
calicuz · 56-60, M
Just because they are categorized as Caucasian does not mean they have the same blood line as "Whit People" for lack of a better term. It's all about one's blood line.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@calicuz well they’re not European . But doesn’t Caucasian mean white ?
calicuz · 56-60, M
@AthrillatheHunt
That's what I thought it meant, but that's when they wanted to blanket everything as White or Black.
That's what I thought it meant, but that's when they wanted to blanket everything as White or Black.
TurtlePink · 22-25, F
Arabs can be white, they can be African, they can be Asian, they can be Hispanics. There’s Afro-Arabs in Africa. There’s Arabs in Afghanistan . There’s even Arabs in Colombia
Arabs are considered Caucasian
SW-User
Is this only coming up cause again because you have an interest in someone 18-21?
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@SW-User no I’m in a committed relationship. But speaking of interest , why are you so interested in me ?
Moon3624 · 18-21, F
@SW-User @AthrillatheHunt
“Arab ethnicity is, in many ways, detached from race in the sense it is understood in the US. Some Arabs pass for and look white, some for black, and most look like what you expect when you think of people from Western Asia.
I doubt most Arabs identify as white especially given the current political climate. I sure don't.
How it came to be is racism and attempting to survive. During the 1920s, many people who we consider to be white today were still advocating for themselves to be considered white - e.g. Italians, Polish people, and other Eastern Europeans - so they could have access to better resources in their new life in the US. Arabs successfully got the designation as white and it stuck.”
I found it somewhere and it’s accurate
“Arab ethnicity is, in many ways, detached from race in the sense it is understood in the US. Some Arabs pass for and look white, some for black, and most look like what you expect when you think of people from Western Asia.
I doubt most Arabs identify as white especially given the current political climate. I sure don't.
How it came to be is racism and attempting to survive. During the 1920s, many people who we consider to be white today were still advocating for themselves to be considered white - e.g. Italians, Polish people, and other Eastern Europeans - so they could have access to better resources in their new life in the US. Arabs successfully got the designation as white and it stuck.”
I found it somewhere and it’s accurate
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@Moon3624 when my grandpa , Ramadan, arrived in the US from Albania in 1918 he was not considered white .
Zonuss · 41-45, M
Arabs are a distant relative of the Mongoloid race. Their origins of course are tied to the continent of Africa. 🌍
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@BohemianBabe the moors ( Africans ) def left their DNA in Italy and the Iberian peninsula .
BohemianBabe · M
@AthrillatheHunt Sure, but that was bred out generations ago. There are very few Italians or Iberians that still look dark enough to be considered black.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@BohemianBabe inquisitions will have that effect. Hahaha
popmol · 26-30, M
neither, they are definitely not white, but they aren't asian, they are a eurasia type or middle eastern
Penny · 46-50, F
i think they are considered as from the Middle East. as far as the confusion goes, if they are ashamed of being Middle Eastern then maybe they should take steps to make themselves feel prouder.
Moon3624 · 18-21, F
@Penny
the Middle East is a made up term by the British to define a region that exists in the Middle East -from - Britain
Using the uk as a reference.
It’s sometimes a loose term that include / exclude countries depending on the definition
“Middle East” is not an identity .
It’s a place of various identities
So you did not answer his question .
the Middle East is a made up term by the British to define a region that exists in the Middle East -from - Britain
Using the uk as a reference.
It’s sometimes a loose term that include / exclude countries depending on the definition
“Middle East” is not an identity .
It’s a place of various identities
So you did not answer his question .
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@Moon3624 it’s actually a geographic region (SW Asia ). Just like New England is a geographical region (NE USA).
Moon3624 · 18-21, F
@AthrillatheHunt I was talking about the term Middle East
The Middle East is in fact a British made up term
To label a place that is situated in the Middle East of Britain you can look it up lol
The Middle East is in fact a British made up term
To label a place that is situated in the Middle East of Britain you can look it up lol
TheOrionbeltseeker · 36-40, M
They are pure or mixed Caucasians. Practically, Asia starts where Iran ends in the East.
More confusing than you know !!
ChatGPT says:
ChatGPT says:
Are Arabs Asian or White ?
The Middle East is really Western Asia . Arabs are considered Caucasian . It’s so confusing .
ChatGPT
The classification of Arabs can indeed be confusing due to overlapping cultural, geographical, and racial definitions. Here's a breakdown to clarify:
Geographical Perspective:
Arabs predominantly come from the Arabian Peninsula and surrounding regions, which are located in Western Asia. Thus, from a geographical standpoint, many Arabs can be considered Asian.
Ethnic and Racial Perspective:
Arabs are often classified as Caucasian, a term used in anthropology to describe a broad group of people who share certain physical characteristics. The Caucasian race historically includes people from Europe, parts of North Africa, the Middle East, and parts of Central Asia.
The term "Caucasian" is somewhat outdated and can be misleading, as it was part of an old racial classification system that is not widely used in modern anthropology or genetics.
Cultural Perspective:
The Arab identity is largely defined by language, culture, and shared history rather than strict racial boundaries. Arabic-speaking people from various regions identify as Arab due to their linguistic and cultural ties.
Modern Usage and Context:
In modern contexts, particularly in places like the United States, Arabs are often considered part of the "white" racial category in official documents, though this can vary based on self-identification and context.
The U.S. Census Bureau, for example, classifies people of Middle Eastern and North African descent as "white," but there has been ongoing debate and discussion about creating a distinct category for these populations.
In summary, Arabs can be geographically considered Asian due to their origins in Western Asia, but racially they are often classified under the broad and somewhat outdated term "Caucasian." The most accurate classification may depend on the specific context and perspective being used.
User
Are Jews Asian or white? Jews, like Arabs, are semites.
ChatGPT
The classification of Jews can also be complex due to historical, cultural, and geographical factors. Here's a breakdown:
Geographical Perspective:
Jews originate from the Levant region in the Eastern Mediterranean, which includes parts of Western Asia. Therefore, from a purely geographical standpoint, the ancient origins of Jewish people are in Asia.
Ethnic and Racial Perspective:
Jews are an ethnoreligious group with a shared heritage, culture, and religion (Judaism). The term "Semitic" refers to a family of languages, including Hebrew and Arabic, and by extension, the peoples who speak these languages.
Jews, like Arabs, are considered Semites. However, this term is primarily linguistic and cultural rather than racial.
In terms of racial classification, Jews have been historically classified in various ways. In the context of the United States and many Western countries, Jews are often categorized as "white." However, this classification can vary, and many Jews may not identify strictly with this label.
Cultural and Historical Perspective:
The Jewish diaspora has led to significant diversity within the Jewish population. There are Ashkenazi Jews (primarily from Europe), Sephardi Jews (from the Iberian Peninsula, North Africa, and the Middle East), Mizrahi Jews (from the Middle East and Central Asia), and other groups such as Ethiopian Jews.
This diversity means that Jews can exhibit a wide range of physical characteristics and cultural backgrounds.
Modern Usage and Context:
In the context of modern identity and self-identification, many Jews might consider themselves white, particularly Ashkenazi Jews who have lived in Europe for centuries.
Others, especially those from Middle Eastern, North African, or Ethiopian backgrounds, may not identify with the term "white" and might prefer to be recognized based on their specific ethnic or cultural background.
In summary, Jews have origins in Asia (the Middle East), but due to the diverse and widespread nature of the Jewish diaspora, they can be classified in different ways depending on geographical, cultural, and individual contexts. The label "white" is often used in Western contexts but does not fully capture the diversity within the Jewish community.
User
And, by the way, Egyptians are not Arabs. They are not Semites. They are descended from the ancient Egyptians who were north African. Modern Egyptians have much of the same DNA as ancient Egyptians.
ChatGPT
You are correct in noting the distinctiveness of Egyptians in terms of their historical and genetic background. Here are some key points to consider:
Ethnic and Historical Background:
Ancient Egyptians were a distinct civilization with their own culture, language (ancient Egyptian), and heritage. They were indigenous to the Nile Valley in North Africa.
Modern Egyptians are primarily descended from the ancient Egyptians. Genetic studies have shown continuity in the population over thousands of years, indicating that modern Egyptians share significant genetic material with their ancient ancestors.
Language and Culture:
The Arabization of Egypt began in the 7th century with the Islamic conquests, leading to the widespread adoption of the Arabic language and some cultural elements.
Despite this, many aspects of Egyptian culture, traditions, and even aspects of the Coptic language (derived from ancient Egyptian) have persisted.
Identity:
Modern Egyptians often identify culturally and linguistically as Arabs due to the widespread use of Arabic and the influence of Arab culture over many centuries.
However, they also maintain a strong sense of Egyptian identity that is distinct from the broader Arab identity, celebrating their ancient heritage and unique cultural practices.
Genetic Studies:
Genetic research has indicated that the majority of the modern Egyptian gene pool is indigenous, with additional influences from various peoples who have migrated to or invaded the region over millennia, including Arabs, Greeks, Romans, and others.
These studies confirm that modern Egyptians have a genetic link to their ancient predecessors, but they also reflect the complex history of migration and interaction in the region.
In summary, while modern Egyptians may share cultural and linguistic ties with the Arab world, they have a distinct ethnic and historical identity rooted in ancient Egyptian civilization. They are not Semites in the same way as Arabs or Jews, but their long and complex history has created a unique blend of influences that define modern Egyptian identity.
The Middle East is really Western Asia . Arabs are considered Caucasian . It’s so confusing .
ChatGPT
The classification of Arabs can indeed be confusing due to overlapping cultural, geographical, and racial definitions. Here's a breakdown to clarify:
Geographical Perspective:
Arabs predominantly come from the Arabian Peninsula and surrounding regions, which are located in Western Asia. Thus, from a geographical standpoint, many Arabs can be considered Asian.
Ethnic and Racial Perspective:
Arabs are often classified as Caucasian, a term used in anthropology to describe a broad group of people who share certain physical characteristics. The Caucasian race historically includes people from Europe, parts of North Africa, the Middle East, and parts of Central Asia.
The term "Caucasian" is somewhat outdated and can be misleading, as it was part of an old racial classification system that is not widely used in modern anthropology or genetics.
Cultural Perspective:
The Arab identity is largely defined by language, culture, and shared history rather than strict racial boundaries. Arabic-speaking people from various regions identify as Arab due to their linguistic and cultural ties.
Modern Usage and Context:
In modern contexts, particularly in places like the United States, Arabs are often considered part of the "white" racial category in official documents, though this can vary based on self-identification and context.
The U.S. Census Bureau, for example, classifies people of Middle Eastern and North African descent as "white," but there has been ongoing debate and discussion about creating a distinct category for these populations.
In summary, Arabs can be geographically considered Asian due to their origins in Western Asia, but racially they are often classified under the broad and somewhat outdated term "Caucasian." The most accurate classification may depend on the specific context and perspective being used.
User
Are Jews Asian or white? Jews, like Arabs, are semites.
ChatGPT
The classification of Jews can also be complex due to historical, cultural, and geographical factors. Here's a breakdown:
Geographical Perspective:
Jews originate from the Levant region in the Eastern Mediterranean, which includes parts of Western Asia. Therefore, from a purely geographical standpoint, the ancient origins of Jewish people are in Asia.
Ethnic and Racial Perspective:
Jews are an ethnoreligious group with a shared heritage, culture, and religion (Judaism). The term "Semitic" refers to a family of languages, including Hebrew and Arabic, and by extension, the peoples who speak these languages.
Jews, like Arabs, are considered Semites. However, this term is primarily linguistic and cultural rather than racial.
In terms of racial classification, Jews have been historically classified in various ways. In the context of the United States and many Western countries, Jews are often categorized as "white." However, this classification can vary, and many Jews may not identify strictly with this label.
Cultural and Historical Perspective:
The Jewish diaspora has led to significant diversity within the Jewish population. There are Ashkenazi Jews (primarily from Europe), Sephardi Jews (from the Iberian Peninsula, North Africa, and the Middle East), Mizrahi Jews (from the Middle East and Central Asia), and other groups such as Ethiopian Jews.
This diversity means that Jews can exhibit a wide range of physical characteristics and cultural backgrounds.
Modern Usage and Context:
In the context of modern identity and self-identification, many Jews might consider themselves white, particularly Ashkenazi Jews who have lived in Europe for centuries.
Others, especially those from Middle Eastern, North African, or Ethiopian backgrounds, may not identify with the term "white" and might prefer to be recognized based on their specific ethnic or cultural background.
In summary, Jews have origins in Asia (the Middle East), but due to the diverse and widespread nature of the Jewish diaspora, they can be classified in different ways depending on geographical, cultural, and individual contexts. The label "white" is often used in Western contexts but does not fully capture the diversity within the Jewish community.
User
And, by the way, Egyptians are not Arabs. They are not Semites. They are descended from the ancient Egyptians who were north African. Modern Egyptians have much of the same DNA as ancient Egyptians.
ChatGPT
You are correct in noting the distinctiveness of Egyptians in terms of their historical and genetic background. Here are some key points to consider:
Ethnic and Historical Background:
Ancient Egyptians were a distinct civilization with their own culture, language (ancient Egyptian), and heritage. They were indigenous to the Nile Valley in North Africa.
Modern Egyptians are primarily descended from the ancient Egyptians. Genetic studies have shown continuity in the population over thousands of years, indicating that modern Egyptians share significant genetic material with their ancient ancestors.
Language and Culture:
The Arabization of Egypt began in the 7th century with the Islamic conquests, leading to the widespread adoption of the Arabic language and some cultural elements.
Despite this, many aspects of Egyptian culture, traditions, and even aspects of the Coptic language (derived from ancient Egyptian) have persisted.
Identity:
Modern Egyptians often identify culturally and linguistically as Arabs due to the widespread use of Arabic and the influence of Arab culture over many centuries.
However, they also maintain a strong sense of Egyptian identity that is distinct from the broader Arab identity, celebrating their ancient heritage and unique cultural practices.
Genetic Studies:
Genetic research has indicated that the majority of the modern Egyptian gene pool is indigenous, with additional influences from various peoples who have migrated to or invaded the region over millennia, including Arabs, Greeks, Romans, and others.
These studies confirm that modern Egyptians have a genetic link to their ancient predecessors, but they also reflect the complex history of migration and interaction in the region.
In summary, while modern Egyptians may share cultural and linguistic ties with the Arab world, they have a distinct ethnic and historical identity rooted in ancient Egyptian civilization. They are not Semites in the same way as Arabs or Jews, but their long and complex history has created a unique blend of influences that define modern Egyptian identity.
Who cares ? They are all humans
BohemianBabe · M
The Middle East isn't really Asia. At least it's usually not considered so.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@BohemianBabe hahaha I like your steeze dude. Lol
But it’s a confusing question bc there’s no continent between Asia and Africa and Europe (IDK how Europe is its own continent btw. Lol
But it’s a confusing question bc there’s no continent between Asia and Africa and Europe (IDK how Europe is its own continent btw. Lol
BohemianBabe · M
@AthrillatheHunt And then also, and then also, how come Australia is a continent but Greenland isn't?!
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@BohemianBabe so true . Greenland is the oldest piece of land on earth .
ProfessorPlum77 · 70-79, MVIP
I agree with you. Caucasian.
Carazaa · F
You've got to be kidding!!
ImRileyTheDog · 22-25, F
They’re whatever they wanna be
Northwest · M
Apples and tomatoes
TheOneyouwerewarnedabout · 46-50, MVIP
Yes
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout d’oh! (Said in homers voice ). lol
Dv8rs · 18-21, F
The census says yes, but many disagree.
https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-me-census-middle-east-north-africa-race/
https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-me-census-middle-east-north-africa-race/
SW-User
@Dv8rs Yes, they are actually Caucasians.
Tres13 · 51-55, M
Asian without the rice eyes
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@Tres13 so Asian ? But they have to write Caucasian on all forms . Again, it’s so confusing .
SW-User
Caucasion, African and Asian
Monalisaa1986 · 36-40, F
Does it matter if they are white what’s wrong with being white , is it a crime to be white
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@Monalisaa1986 as far as I know there is no law against being white .
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
@Monalisaa1986 it's okay to be critical of capitalism.
SkeetSkeet · 100+, F
Canadian
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Monalisaa1986 · 36-40, F
@AthrillatheHunt do you have something against whites
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@Monalisaa1986 no. Matter of fact I’m white myself. And I kinda like myself . Lol
Monalisaa1986 · 36-40, F
@AthrillatheHunt you’re not a black guy that made himself white through chemical peels
Bang5luts · M
Russians live in asia. They are considered Caucasian as well
Jexie · 26-30, F
This explains it
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Jexie · 26-30, F
@AthrillatheHunt They prob fall under europeans
DDonde · 31-35, M
it's a quagmire of words
empanadas · 31-35, M
Some Arabs are white and others are not. Some even have strong African features like in Yemen. Others have more Mediterranean features like Lebanon. The term Arab is similar to the term Latino. They come in different shades and colors. They are definitely Asians, (excluding the ones in north Africa because technically they are Africans).
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@empanadas Yemen is the West Virginia of the Middle East. Lol
empanadas · 31-35, M
@AthrillatheHunt yeah, they are even still doing slavery today. It's crazy
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@empanadas illiterate , inbred , etc…. That wasn’t my quote about it being like WV btw. It was an Arab friend of mines quote .
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Moon3624 · 18-21, F
@LeopoldBloom
Your post did not counter argue a single point I made
You went and started an entire different topic
and created a new thread and started to mix a million topics at once =_=
For the millionth time you can be the biggest islamphobe out there yet it doesn’t change the fact that the story is foreigners arrived (doesn’t matter Jewish or not they came from abroad )
Displaced majority of locals living in there which is a crime and when the locals resisted they called them terrorists and savages this is the story in every settler colonial story .
The majority of the locals at that time and still are Muslim so numerically and by mathematical logic majority of resistance would be represented by Muslims
Also ur wrong . There are ones who didn’t like the ottomans and there are ones who didn’t mind and liked the ottomans has nothing to do with who’s local and who’s not.
For instance in Arabia (which what today is known as Saudi Arabia )
You had ppl like the Sauds and Hashemite not liking the ottomans and fighting them
H
Then you had ppl like the Rashidi who liked the ottomans and aligned with them
Saudis and the Rashids are all locals
Are the rashidis not local bc they liked the ottoman or alligned with them?
Ur line of thinking is absolute trash.
Then you mentioned isis , isis represent themselves and no one fought isis more than Muslim regimes. I don’t see how isis has anything to do with our topic this is why I say ur an old man who cannot stay within the topic.
Then you are asking why can’t they build a great Gaza
Well if I was displaced unjustly out of my city into another place I can either settle in this new place and FORGIVE or I can fight the aggressors for justice
Forgiveness does not equal justness
It’s up to them to choose to forgive or to fight who displaced them
I’m sure ur aware majority of residents in Gaza aren’t from Gaza but pushed into it
Then u talk about a viable Palestine state
but as i mentioned before
Israel was always against a two state solution
Beyamin said it long time
He even held a map before the 7th with Gaza and West Bank annexted into Israel
This is why every single prime minister and president of Israel only increased illegal settlements in the West Bank
Don’t try to come across as peace loving and that you have been trying so hard for two state
Your post did not counter argue a single point I made
You went and started an entire different topic
and created a new thread and started to mix a million topics at once =_=
For the millionth time you can be the biggest islamphobe out there yet it doesn’t change the fact that the story is foreigners arrived (doesn’t matter Jewish or not they came from abroad )
Displaced majority of locals living in there which is a crime and when the locals resisted they called them terrorists and savages this is the story in every settler colonial story .
The majority of the locals at that time and still are Muslim so numerically and by mathematical logic majority of resistance would be represented by Muslims
Also ur wrong . There are ones who didn’t like the ottomans and there are ones who didn’t mind and liked the ottomans has nothing to do with who’s local and who’s not.
For instance in Arabia (which what today is known as Saudi Arabia )
You had ppl like the Sauds and Hashemite not liking the ottomans and fighting them
H
Then you had ppl like the Rashidi who liked the ottomans and aligned with them
Saudis and the Rashids are all locals
Are the rashidis not local bc they liked the ottoman or alligned with them?
Ur line of thinking is absolute trash.
Then you mentioned isis , isis represent themselves and no one fought isis more than Muslim regimes. I don’t see how isis has anything to do with our topic this is why I say ur an old man who cannot stay within the topic.
Then you are asking why can’t they build a great Gaza
Well if I was displaced unjustly out of my city into another place I can either settle in this new place and FORGIVE or I can fight the aggressors for justice
Forgiveness does not equal justness
It’s up to them to choose to forgive or to fight who displaced them
I’m sure ur aware majority of residents in Gaza aren’t from Gaza but pushed into it
Then u talk about a viable Palestine state
but as i mentioned before
Israel was always against a two state solution
Beyamin said it long time
He even held a map before the 7th with Gaza and West Bank annexted into Israel
This is why every single prime minister and president of Israel only increased illegal settlements in the West Bank
Don’t try to come across as peace loving and that you have been trying so hard for two state
Moon3624 · 18-21, F
@LeopoldBloom
You wrote a whole piece of essay to a single sentence that guy said
And I sent a long message filled with points and u ignored them like usual and went to talk about irrelevant topics like isis instead
You wrote a whole piece of essay to a single sentence that guy said
And I sent a long message filled with points and u ignored them like usual and went to talk about irrelevant topics like isis instead
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@LeopoldBloom you lived in Mali? That’s way cool dude. Been to Egypt and Kenya but never there .
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AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@Max41 you mean someone from Vietnam has darker skin than a Han Chinese ?
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AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@Max41 some Americans ancestors come from warmer climates than Russia .
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AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@Roundandroundwego that’s such a you answer. Lol
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
@AthrillatheHunt okay -. Obviously there's a reason to make fun of Arabs here and pretend to be confused about who they aren't. I don't want to help with that.