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SteelHands · 61-69, M
ArishMell · 70-79, M
Poor comparison.
Trump's gesture is more like the Communist salute than Hitler's fist-waving, perhaps unwittingly; but whatever his ideology really is, I see Trump as neither Communist nor Nazi.
Trump's gesture is more like the Communist salute than Hitler's fist-waving, perhaps unwittingly; but whatever his ideology really is, I see Trump as neither Communist nor Nazi.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@ArishMell I was unaware there was any such thing as a communist salute. I've seen him doing the fascist salute and his voters responding. I've also seen him talk about creating huge concentration camps, getting rid of medical benefits, talking trash about disabled people, etc. Sounds kind of Nazi-like to me. But what do I know?
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@LordShadowfire The official Nazi salute was that supposedly based on the Roman one - right hand and arm extended stiffly forwards and upwards, hand open, palm facing down.
The salute favoured by the USSR, and I think I've seen it in photographs from China too, is the forearm vertical alongside the body, bringing the clenched fist, palm forwards, about level with the head. Not as high as Trump's gesture in that photo.
It is also depicted in a lot of old Soviet-era propaganda paintings as a symbol, as well as the hammer-and-sickle.
I think, from News photos of the Red Square military parades, the Red Army used the more standard form of military salute - open hand to cap peak. Perhaps the clenched-fist salute was more civilian than military.
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"Fascism" was a very particular name for the style of dictatorship imposed by Benito Mussolini, under that name, on Italy in the 1930s, but it did spawn copy-cat dogmas in other countries including the UK. There was a British party modelled on the original but it did not last long. I don't know what style of salute the original, Italian, Fascists used, but their symbol was the Classical Roman fascii (sp?) sign of authority, an axe in a bundle of rods.
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A "concentration camp" is simply a large prison-camp, and they date from POW camps in the Boer War in Africa. It should not be confused with the Nazi's extermination-camps built specifically to kill huge numbers of people on an industrial scale. That still does not excuse them of course, and I don't know what Donald Trump proposed, but in matters like this we should maintain the proper definitions.
The USSR had them too, as prison colonies - and the Russian Federation still does. The system became nick-named the 'Gulag Archipelago'. An example were the slave-camps supplying mainly female labour to build a railway linking two Siberian ports about 800 miles apart. This was Josef Stalin's idea, and no-one dared question the point, let alone question using the prisoners in appalling conditions. After his death, the government quietly abandoned the project, with only about 40 miles of line still to be laid.
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I do not know if Nazi Germany had any medical benefits or other form of State medical care - that seems to have been generally rare in the 1930s, at least outside of the USSR where everything was State-run anyway. Though Adolf Hitler did despise the disabled, particularly I think the mentally-ill.
The salute favoured by the USSR, and I think I've seen it in photographs from China too, is the forearm vertical alongside the body, bringing the clenched fist, palm forwards, about level with the head. Not as high as Trump's gesture in that photo.
It is also depicted in a lot of old Soviet-era propaganda paintings as a symbol, as well as the hammer-and-sickle.
I think, from News photos of the Red Square military parades, the Red Army used the more standard form of military salute - open hand to cap peak. Perhaps the clenched-fist salute was more civilian than military.
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"Fascism" was a very particular name for the style of dictatorship imposed by Benito Mussolini, under that name, on Italy in the 1930s, but it did spawn copy-cat dogmas in other countries including the UK. There was a British party modelled on the original but it did not last long. I don't know what style of salute the original, Italian, Fascists used, but their symbol was the Classical Roman fascii (sp?) sign of authority, an axe in a bundle of rods.
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A "concentration camp" is simply a large prison-camp, and they date from POW camps in the Boer War in Africa. It should not be confused with the Nazi's extermination-camps built specifically to kill huge numbers of people on an industrial scale. That still does not excuse them of course, and I don't know what Donald Trump proposed, but in matters like this we should maintain the proper definitions.
The USSR had them too, as prison colonies - and the Russian Federation still does. The system became nick-named the 'Gulag Archipelago'. An example were the slave-camps supplying mainly female labour to build a railway linking two Siberian ports about 800 miles apart. This was Josef Stalin's idea, and no-one dared question the point, let alone question using the prisoners in appalling conditions. After his death, the government quietly abandoned the project, with only about 40 miles of line still to be laid.
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I do not know if Nazi Germany had any medical benefits or other form of State medical care - that seems to have been generally rare in the 1930s, at least outside of the USSR where everything was State-run anyway. Though Adolf Hitler did despise the disabled, particularly I think the mentally-ill.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
Jesus Christ. You know that's intentional. You just know.