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If God created evolution, doesn't that count as creationism?

So evolution could be characterised - in ultra reductionist terms- as quite simply *choosing the path of less resistance*.

So if God in His Infinite Majestic Glory and Patience created an array where there were avenues or conduits that allowed species to - over 1000s of generations choose the path of less resistance and "evolve" doesn't that count as *design*?

If that's a little obtuse try this, if you reach out and try to change the universe with your own hands is that really any different from seeming not to do anything but really you don't need to because before anyone noticed, you arrayed things with such craftsman ship that all you need to do is let things fall into place. God was doing the ground work before you were even able to pay attention.

Checkmate Atheists
Zonuss · 41-45, M Best Comment
Interesting.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@Zonuss Where’s the [i]compelling necessity[/i] to even entertain the postulation?

Personal experience is just that... restricted to one person, and certainly not a reason for others to have gods

But my main point is that my position doesn’t involve belief
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@newjaninev2 There are underlying issues that come into play. And for a lot of people it goes beyond personal belief. Like I said the [b] supernatural[/b] adds to the discussion.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@Zonuss So your justification for postulations about the existence of the supernatural is... the supernatural? 😀

But to return to the topic posted... evolution simply doesn’t require any sort of magical entity. Why then complicate things by introducing one? What is gained?

Doomflower · 36-40, M
When I was a Christian I used similar reasoning and I certainly prefer people think this over straight up POOF creationism.

However:

Any God that would choose evolution as its method of creation is unbelievably cruel. The process of evolution is blind and relies on the least suited to their niche being killed off.

I'm sorry to say your description of evolition is flawed as well. Evolution does not choose anything. It has no goals. Those who survive reproduce and those who don't are dead ends. It's blind.
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@Doomflower Why wouldn’t God be cruel? There’s no proof that he’s benevolent.
walabby · 61-69, M
@LeopoldBloom Yeah. Read the Old Testament! Actually I think that all of that was just using "God" as an excuse for really bad behavior. "We killed everybody in that city because God told us to"....
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
Your magical entity isn’t needed by evolution, and all you’re trying to do is to allow it to steal all the credit long after the event is over. Come on - is it Donald Trump or something!

Magical entities seem not to do anything because they don’t do anything

What reason is there to suppose otherwise?
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@StrawberryMilkshake Yes, there’s no compelling necessity to even postulate the existence of magical entities, and the postulation itself explains nothing.
@Jm31xxx All atheists are not Ayn Rand followers. As a philosopher, Rand isn’t even shallow.
walabby · 61-69, M
@StrawberryMilkshake A waste of time, but sometimes fun... :)
Pfuzylogic · M
If you are familiar with computer languages then you would be familiar with a superset such as C++.
Even though C++ originated in C language. C does not in return understand the functionality of C++.
The belief in a creative God that spoke the universe in existence is not an event subject to the observation of man at any level. The science of man struggles with concepts of big bang and evolution already. How would it ever apprehend Genesis?
Jm31xxx · 46-50, M
@Pfuzylogic totally not familiar with computer language and it's obvious you were banking on that
Pfuzylogic · M
@Jm31xxx I don’t like the concept of creationism as a science. I do believe in creation by a God. The Catholic Church accepted concepts of evolution in 1950 but few challenged the extreme limitations of science. Man is still so Copernicus like In it’s view of science.
Eternity · 26-30, M
I'm more of the mind that the universe is the body/a part of the body of what we would consider to be "God" and that all processes in nature, from cellular respiration to evolution to celestial body formation/destruction, are but processes that facilitate the bodily functions of a higher organism.

Evolution, to me, is no different than any of the intricate processes in the immune system.
If it’s not science, it’s superstition.
Is this the part where we pray to the Big Bang and ask the Big Bang to put is in the good afterlife?

Problem is, your approach assumes a deterministic universe. Everything we know about quantum mechanics says there are fundamentally random events (effects without causes) all the time at the quantum level. If you can prove the fallacy of fundamental randomness you might be able to build a deterministic theory. Good luck with that!!
@Jm31xxx We don't need to merge the macro with the micro to reveal fundamental randomness. Bell's theorem tells us straight QM can be falsified by a hidden variable theory. We're still waiting for that falsification.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@Jm31xxx [quote]people speak of science as if it's a concrete thing[/quote]

I don’t know a single scientist who would [i]ever[/i] do that!

Science is so powerful because it’s [i]never[/i] a ‘concrete thing’.
Jm31xxx · 46-50, M
@newjaninev2 I know scientists don't. My father was actually quite acclaimed in his field and I was indoctrinated with the Scientific Method while still in primary school. But I said people. Not scientists.
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Jm31xxx · 46-50, M
@StrawberryMilkshake Well I put it to you that the concept of creationism needs to be updated and then maybe the Atheists and theistic types could get along
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You’ve just described Deism, which several of the founding fathers followed.
deadgerbil · 22-25
That's a definition of creationism that many Christians who have a conservative interpretation of scripture would reject. In 'check mating' atheists, you lost strict adherents of scripture
Subsumedpat · 36-40, M
Does that not kind of screw up the created in 7 days thing ? Or was it 6 and rest on the 7th.
Jm31xxx · 46-50, M
@Subsumedpat in the Bible, time is just an indicator as opposed to an exact chronological determination
Subsumedpat · 36-40, M
@Jm31xxx It says that in there ?
Jm31xxx · 46-50, M
@Subsumedpat Esotericly so yeah but you have to read between the lines

 
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