BrandNewMan · M
And what does your country do for the world? I'll wait ..
Might help if you learn some real history instead of the woke b.s. kind you threw out here.
Slavery was in the colonies 150 years before America existed .. courtesy of the British, Dutch, Portugese, others. In less than 100 yrs of America existing as a country it was ended.
The same thing happened with land being taken from,and conflict with, indigenous people here and everywhere European countries colonized other places .. throughout the Americas, Africa, India, Australia ... not that we didnt have issues continuing those activities here.
Japan attacked the US in Pearl Harbor drawing the US into WWII in the Pacific. The atomic bombings in Japan were not unprovoked and they likely ended the war sooner than would otherwise have happened. The terrible cost of their use was recognized and 80 years later we have not further used them again despite being involved in additional wars.
Might help if you learn some real history instead of the woke b.s. kind you threw out here.
Slavery was in the colonies 150 years before America existed .. courtesy of the British, Dutch, Portugese, others. In less than 100 yrs of America existing as a country it was ended.
The same thing happened with land being taken from,and conflict with, indigenous people here and everywhere European countries colonized other places .. throughout the Americas, Africa, India, Australia ... not that we didnt have issues continuing those activities here.
Japan attacked the US in Pearl Harbor drawing the US into WWII in the Pacific. The atomic bombings in Japan were not unprovoked and they likely ended the war sooner than would otherwise have happened. The terrible cost of their use was recognized and 80 years later we have not further used them again despite being involved in additional wars.
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BrandNewMan · M
@quesswhat Truth needs to be put out there to counter the lies and b.s. ..
ElwoodBlues · M
@TheBatQueen said
What the founders failed to do was free the slaves. Washington & Jefferson were both slave owners from Virginia; they couldn't be wealthy gentlemen without slaves. In the Constitutional Convention of 1787 the question of slavery was hotly debated and certain "compromises" were reached. Perhaps they hoped it could be slowly and bloodlessly phased out. Six northern states had abolished slavery by the early 1800s, so perhaps it was reasonable to hope that others would follow suit.
first thing they did is slavery??
Not the first thing by a long shot. The British brought slaves to Jamestown in 1619, but they weren't the first. The Spanish has slaves in their west coast colonies in perhaps the 1600s.What the founders failed to do was free the slaves. Washington & Jefferson were both slave owners from Virginia; they couldn't be wealthy gentlemen without slaves. In the Constitutional Convention of 1787 the question of slavery was hotly debated and certain "compromises" were reached. Perhaps they hoped it could be slowly and bloodlessly phased out. Six northern states had abolished slavery by the early 1800s, so perhaps it was reasonable to hope that others would follow suit.
Hopelandia · M
It's not just America that had slavery of course. There were plenty of African kingdoms that had slaves too. Still, I get your point.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@Hopelandia The slave trade in Europe and the US was a far cry from what they used to do in Africa. Over there, they would keep slaves from neighboring countries they won wars against, but they would only keep them for a certain number of years, and they sure as hell didn't enslave their children. Just putting that out there.
Hopelandia · M
@LordShadowfire Agreed. And if we went further back, the Romans' slaves were often treated very well.
ElwoodBlues · M
@Hopelandia Sometimes. And sometimes not.
GuyWithOpinions · 31-35, M
No slavery was around long before america. It was the main workforce before machines were invented.
America was just one of the last countries to abolish it.
Wiping out a large amount of people and destroying cultures is just apart of conquest. The british did the most, rome before them. As well as persia, macedonia, mongolia etc.. Infact americans were british first before they called it america.
Nuking japan was a show of force to end japans involvement in WW2 and revenge for the attack on pearl harbor.
2 states were annexed from mexico after a war of territorial expansion. Also quite common around the world. Especially in colonial times.
And for the rest, USA has just had terrible leadership for the last 20 years.
America was just one of the last countries to abolish it.
Wiping out a large amount of people and destroying cultures is just apart of conquest. The british did the most, rome before them. As well as persia, macedonia, mongolia etc.. Infact americans were british first before they called it america.
Nuking japan was a show of force to end japans involvement in WW2 and revenge for the attack on pearl harbor.
2 states were annexed from mexico after a war of territorial expansion. Also quite common around the world. Especially in colonial times.
And for the rest, USA has just had terrible leadership for the last 20 years.
Ferise1 · 46-50, M
@GuyWithOpinions it was more like revenge for iwojima and other fighting in the Japanese islands that were killing many gi’s and Japanese soldiers alike
ArishMell · 70-79, M
Slavery was already well established long before the colonialists fought for independence. They did not introduce it afterwards.
That dreadful word "nuke / nuking" cheapens one of the nastiest of all human inventions. Those two nuclear bombs did finally force the Japanese to surrender, ending WW2 in Asia a year after it had ended in Europe, but also showed the world just how terrible nuclear bombs of any sort are. Those dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were fission weapons of "only" <20kt power, too: the weapons developed later by the USA and USSR are considerably more powerful, and hydrogen-fusion bombs vastly more so.
Also, Japan was already fighting in the late 1930s by trying to invade China.
If America had not become independent it would be a hotch-potch of British, Irish, German, Dutch, Spanish, etc. territories perhaps subsequently becoming minor nations of their own; and there is no guarantee the natives (a proper word, referring to generational birth-place as its etymology shows) would have been treated any better.
Although slavery may have ended earlier: Britain had been an active slave-trader but was the first country to ban it and as a major cottom importer, applied commercial pressure to help end it in the young USA.
That dreadful word "nuke / nuking" cheapens one of the nastiest of all human inventions. Those two nuclear bombs did finally force the Japanese to surrender, ending WW2 in Asia a year after it had ended in Europe, but also showed the world just how terrible nuclear bombs of any sort are. Those dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were fission weapons of "only" <20kt power, too: the weapons developed later by the USA and USSR are considerably more powerful, and hydrogen-fusion bombs vastly more so.
Also, Japan was already fighting in the late 1930s by trying to invade China.
If America had not become independent it would be a hotch-potch of British, Irish, German, Dutch, Spanish, etc. territories perhaps subsequently becoming minor nations of their own; and there is no guarantee the natives (a proper word, referring to generational birth-place as its etymology shows) would have been treated any better.
Although slavery may have ended earlier: Britain had been an active slave-trader but was the first country to ban it and as a major cottom importer, applied commercial pressure to help end it in the young USA.
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
@ArishMell slavery was outlawed in England by 1776. And we're not going to act like we know.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Roundandroundwego Thankyou for giving the year.
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
@ArishMell fully two thousand years before Lincoln in America, slavery was outlawed in Sicily.
Patriot96 · 56-60, C
Lets see now. America and whites did not invent slavery.
California and adjacent territories were purchased from Mexico, not stolen. Indigenous tribes were always fighting with one another
Take a look at the Rape of Nanking by the Japanese. By the time US used the atomic bomb, japan was killing a quarter mi..ion people DAILy. We actua.ly saved Japanese lives by usi g the bomb.
Without the bomb. The estimate was one mi..ion allied casualties.
Go pound it
California and adjacent territories were purchased from Mexico, not stolen. Indigenous tribes were always fighting with one another
Take a look at the Rape of Nanking by the Japanese. By the time US used the atomic bomb, japan was killing a quarter mi..ion people DAILy. We actua.ly saved Japanese lives by usi g the bomb.
Without the bomb. The estimate was one mi..ion allied casualties.
Go pound it
PalteseMalconFunch · 36-40, T
A lot of the founders of the US were the wealthiest land owners in the colonies.
They weren’t going to hurt the money, were they?
They weren’t going to hurt the money, were they?
TangledUpInBlue · F
So what would you like to see?
Adogslife · 61-69, M
Revisionist history perhaps?
And with such ample thoughts, where would you choose to live?
And with such ample thoughts, where would you choose to live?
ScreamingFox · 41-45, F
In America we're all slaves.
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Roundandroundwego · 61-69
No, a cabal of business men rebelled to form their own country without a population of its own. They made this population.
Ferise1 · 46-50, M
What about the invention of cinema, and tv, the internet, multi-billion dollar companies, the modern way of life? We wouldn’t have that without America. They developed in such an astronomical way because they got rid of Britain and their taxes.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Ferise1"Multi-billion dollar" countries can only exist in the USA because the Dollar is the USA's currency, but many of them are as large as they are by buying and either absorbing or destroying, foreign companies.
America really invented very little until well into the 20C, and then mainly in electronics and Space work. Otherwise she adopted and developed inventions from elsewhere.
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Photography: in different ways, from France and Britain, as were the first "moving pictures" and indeed recorded sound.
Television: invented by a Scot, John Logie Baird, although using partly-mechanical scanner and display. I think the USA can rightly claim inventing the Cathode-Ray Tube, but that developed television, not invent it.
Wireless transmission ("radio") had already been invented by Marconi, an Italian but working in the UK.
Computers: British inventions, pioneered mechanically by Babbage and Lovelace in the 19C, and electronically by the Bletchley Park team in WW2.
The Internet: invented by a Briton, Sir Tim Bernard-Lee...
... and neither could not exist were it not for harnessing electrical energy thanks to the work of Michael Faraday (English) and European physicists including Ohm, Ampere and Volta.
The unit of energy, the Joule, is named after the Frenchman who first established the nature of energy. The Joule's accompanying unit of power, the Watt, honours James Watt, the Scot who did not invent the steam-engine but developed its first reasonably efficient form from the earlier "atmospheric engine" of the Cornishman, Newcomen. He also invented the Horsepower power-unit, to give commercial customers an estimate of the abilities of the engines Boulton and Watt were manufacturing. The Watt, of course, works for any form of energy-conversion.
Systéme Internationale, the modern, world-wide units of measure: Using the French-invented the Metric System, it was devised and ratified by the International Standards Organisation including the USA.
The SI's Metre, Gramme and Litre (the correct spellings!) are French words but many of its units are named after pioneering European scientists - Volt[a], Ampere, Newton, Farad[ay], Ohm, Pascal, Kelvin, Watt, Joule, Celsius.
No Americans, because the USA was still being made when the sciences were developing; and the settlers could only adopt inventions, and for years only import manufactured goods, from their home lands.
.....
The Industrial Revolution: started in Britain while other countries were playing with political revolutions. By harnessing first water then steam-power, industrially.
Iron and Steel: Britain, Germany and Sweden pioneered making good-quality Iron, then Steel (from, but different to, iron). Stainless-Steel: invented in Sheffield, England. However, early-20C US iron-refiners joined their Swedish and German brethren in using electric-arc furnaces rather than pure blast-furnaces to reduce the ore - a method subsequently lost.
Iron / Steel structures; The world's first iron bridge: the "Iron Bridge" in the English Midlands, iron-making village named after it. It is made of cast-iron not steel, still exists, now for pedestrians only.
Railways: The world's first public passenger and goods railways were in England, but using trucks on rails had already long been common in mines and quarries in Europe generally.
Motor-vehicles: France and Germany pioneered using the internal-combustion engine; the UK and other European contries were already building steam-powered road-vehicles. France was actually first away with Cugnot's experimental, steam-powered wagon.
Battery-electric Road Vehicles: here, we can credit the USA alongside France, Germany and Britain in developing pirvate and commercial EVs, using existing materials and knowledge; over 100 years ago! (Electric cars were allowed in London's Royal Parks closed to the noisy, smelly petrol car.)
Tarmac: orig, Scottish. The word is short for "Tar-bound Macadam Surface". MacAdam was the 18C Scot who showed how to build reasonably robust, stone road-surfaces for the first time since the end of the Roman Empire. Binding the surface with asphalt or coal-tar was a later development.
Electric lighting: Another British first - Joseph Swan invented the incandescent filament-lamp. Thomas Edison, in America, developed it by replacing Swan's short-lived carbon filament with much more durable wire. The two did collaborate.
Large-scale Mass-Production: of complex items like cars. We can fairly credit that to the USA, especially Henry Ford, but the principle sprang from the textiles, armaments and clock-making industries already in many countries.
.....
America pioneered electrical music recording: Western Electric, in the 1920s; allowing recording quiet musical instruments and the singing style called "crooning", as well as more natural styles.
The development of animated films was American although there had already been simple toys like the 'Zooeotrope'.
The USA's more serious inventions include steel-framed buildings many stories high, otherwise are mainly in electronics (e.g. the transistor), rocketry and ultimately Space travel, including the Moon landings some Americans bizarrely try to deny happened. Even in rocketry the pioneers included immigrant Germans who had first developed the Nazis' ballistic missile, the V2 weapon.
The heavier-than-air aeroplane's history is murky, with a possible English claim; but even if the first manned, powered flight was in America it might not have been by the Wright Brothers. The Balloon was a French invention; its dirigible (airship) offspring, German. The first international aeroplane flight was by the Frenchman, Bleriot, across the English Channel. The jet aeroplane engine, distinct from rockets: English (Frank Whittle).
The nuclear bomb: An American invention we can all wish had never been invented; but its development team included British and German scientists, and Nuclear Physics generally was pioneered in France, Germany and Britain.
The world's first nuclear-power station was in the UK; the UK and France were leaders in developing such power.
......
Regarding taxes, yes, undeniably most European nations have high tax rates but that is due in a large part to having large-scale health and welfare, and other, public systems; anathema in the USA with her social and financial "sink-or-swim" attitude towards her citizens.
America really invented very little until well into the 20C, and then mainly in electronics and Space work. Otherwise she adopted and developed inventions from elsewhere.
....
Photography: in different ways, from France and Britain, as were the first "moving pictures" and indeed recorded sound.
Television: invented by a Scot, John Logie Baird, although using partly-mechanical scanner and display. I think the USA can rightly claim inventing the Cathode-Ray Tube, but that developed television, not invent it.
Wireless transmission ("radio") had already been invented by Marconi, an Italian but working in the UK.
Computers: British inventions, pioneered mechanically by Babbage and Lovelace in the 19C, and electronically by the Bletchley Park team in WW2.
The Internet: invented by a Briton, Sir Tim Bernard-Lee...
... and neither could not exist were it not for harnessing electrical energy thanks to the work of Michael Faraday (English) and European physicists including Ohm, Ampere and Volta.
The unit of energy, the Joule, is named after the Frenchman who first established the nature of energy. The Joule's accompanying unit of power, the Watt, honours James Watt, the Scot who did not invent the steam-engine but developed its first reasonably efficient form from the earlier "atmospheric engine" of the Cornishman, Newcomen. He also invented the Horsepower power-unit, to give commercial customers an estimate of the abilities of the engines Boulton and Watt were manufacturing. The Watt, of course, works for any form of energy-conversion.
Systéme Internationale, the modern, world-wide units of measure: Using the French-invented the Metric System, it was devised and ratified by the International Standards Organisation including the USA.
The SI's Metre, Gramme and Litre (the correct spellings!) are French words but many of its units are named after pioneering European scientists - Volt[a], Ampere, Newton, Farad[ay], Ohm, Pascal, Kelvin, Watt, Joule, Celsius.
No Americans, because the USA was still being made when the sciences were developing; and the settlers could only adopt inventions, and for years only import manufactured goods, from their home lands.
.....
The Industrial Revolution: started in Britain while other countries were playing with political revolutions. By harnessing first water then steam-power, industrially.
Iron and Steel: Britain, Germany and Sweden pioneered making good-quality Iron, then Steel (from, but different to, iron). Stainless-Steel: invented in Sheffield, England. However, early-20C US iron-refiners joined their Swedish and German brethren in using electric-arc furnaces rather than pure blast-furnaces to reduce the ore - a method subsequently lost.
Iron / Steel structures; The world's first iron bridge: the "Iron Bridge" in the English Midlands, iron-making village named after it. It is made of cast-iron not steel, still exists, now for pedestrians only.
Railways: The world's first public passenger and goods railways were in England, but using trucks on rails had already long been common in mines and quarries in Europe generally.
Motor-vehicles: France and Germany pioneered using the internal-combustion engine; the UK and other European contries were already building steam-powered road-vehicles. France was actually first away with Cugnot's experimental, steam-powered wagon.
Battery-electric Road Vehicles: here, we can credit the USA alongside France, Germany and Britain in developing pirvate and commercial EVs, using existing materials and knowledge; over 100 years ago! (Electric cars were allowed in London's Royal Parks closed to the noisy, smelly petrol car.)
Tarmac: orig, Scottish. The word is short for "Tar-bound Macadam Surface". MacAdam was the 18C Scot who showed how to build reasonably robust, stone road-surfaces for the first time since the end of the Roman Empire. Binding the surface with asphalt or coal-tar was a later development.
Electric lighting: Another British first - Joseph Swan invented the incandescent filament-lamp. Thomas Edison, in America, developed it by replacing Swan's short-lived carbon filament with much more durable wire. The two did collaborate.
Large-scale Mass-Production: of complex items like cars. We can fairly credit that to the USA, especially Henry Ford, but the principle sprang from the textiles, armaments and clock-making industries already in many countries.
.....
America pioneered electrical music recording: Western Electric, in the 1920s; allowing recording quiet musical instruments and the singing style called "crooning", as well as more natural styles.
The development of animated films was American although there had already been simple toys like the 'Zooeotrope'.
The USA's more serious inventions include steel-framed buildings many stories high, otherwise are mainly in electronics (e.g. the transistor), rocketry and ultimately Space travel, including the Moon landings some Americans bizarrely try to deny happened. Even in rocketry the pioneers included immigrant Germans who had first developed the Nazis' ballistic missile, the V2 weapon.
The heavier-than-air aeroplane's history is murky, with a possible English claim; but even if the first manned, powered flight was in America it might not have been by the Wright Brothers. The Balloon was a French invention; its dirigible (airship) offspring, German. The first international aeroplane flight was by the Frenchman, Bleriot, across the English Channel. The jet aeroplane engine, distinct from rockets: English (Frank Whittle).
The nuclear bomb: An American invention we can all wish had never been invented; but its development team included British and German scientists, and Nuclear Physics generally was pioneered in France, Germany and Britain.
The world's first nuclear-power station was in the UK; the UK and France were leaders in developing such power.
......
Regarding taxes, yes, undeniably most European nations have high tax rates but that is due in a large part to having large-scale health and welfare, and other, public systems; anathema in the USA with her social and financial "sink-or-swim" attitude towards her citizens.
Ferise1 · 46-50, M
@ArishMell you know what I mean🙄
America has gigantic companies
And the world developed exactly around the time America was created. Funny coincidence, huh?
We went from almost the middle ages to the modern era in 250 years.
🔧 Everyday & Practical Inventions
• Light bulb (improved version by Thomas Edison)
• Telephone (Alexander Graham Bell, Scottish-born but developed in the U.S.)
• Air conditioning (Willis Carrier)
• Safety elevator (Elisha Otis)
• Barbed wire (Joseph Glidden)
• Zipper (Whitcomb Judson)
• Transistor (Bell Labs)
🚗 Transportation
• Airplane (Wright brothers)
• Assembly line for cars (Henry Ford)
• Automatic transmission (Alfred Horner Munro)
• Skateboard
• Segway
• Hovercraft (American co-invention)
💻 Technology & Computing
• Personal computer (Altair 8800, Apple I)
• Internet (ARPANET) (U.S. Department of Defense project)
• Email (Ray Tomlinson)
• Video game console (Magnavox Odyssey)
• Mouse (computer) (Douglas Engelbart)
• Smartphone (concept) (IBM Simon)
🎮 Entertainment & Pop Culture
• Motion pictures (narrative film) (Thomas Edison’s lab & others)
• Jazz, Rock ‘n’ Roll, Hip-Hop (American musical genres)
• Television broadcasting
• Disney animation
• Comic books (Superman, Batman, Marvel, etc.)
🥫 Food & Drink
• Coca-Cola
• Peanut butter (George Washington Carver popularized it, others patented it)
• Cheeseburger
• Chocolate chip cookies
• Corn flakes (John Harvey Kellogg)
• Fast food (as a business model) (White Castle, McDonald’s, etc.)
⚕ Medical & Scientific
• Hearing aid (modern electronic type)
• Pacemaker (external version)
• Artificial heart
• DNA fingerprinting (co-developed)
• CRISPR gene editing tools (co-developed, part American-led research)
📱 Modern Innovations
• iPhone (developed by Apple Inc.)
• Social media platforms (Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc.)
• Streaming services (Netflix model)
• GPS (originally U.S. military)
Sure! Here’s a list of huge American companies, many of which are global giants and industry leaders. I’ve grouped them by industry to make it easier to navigate:
💻 Technology & Internet
• Apple – iPhones, Macs, services (largest U.S. company by market cap)
• Microsoft – Windows, Office, Azure cloud
• Google (Alphabet Inc.) – Search, Android, YouTube
• Amazon – E-commerce, AWS cloud services, devices
• Meta (Facebook) – Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp, Oculus
• NVIDIA – GPUs, AI chips (hugely dominant in AI hardware)
• Tesla – Electric vehicles, solar, batteries (Elon Musk)
• Intel – Computer processors and chips
• IBM – Enterprise tech and consulting
🛒 Retail & Consumer Goods
• Walmart – Largest retail chain in the world
• Costco – Wholesale retail
• Target – Department store chain
• Procter & Gamble (P&G) – Consumer products (Tide, Gillette, etc.)
• PepsiCo – Food and beverages (Pepsi, Frito-Lay, Gatorade)
• Coca-Cola – Beverages
🏦 Finance & Insurance
• JPMorgan Chase – Largest U.S. bank
• Bank of America
• Wells Fargo
• Citigroup
• Goldman Sachs – Investment banking
• **
America has gigantic companies
And the world developed exactly around the time America was created. Funny coincidence, huh?
We went from almost the middle ages to the modern era in 250 years.
🔧 Everyday & Practical Inventions
• Light bulb (improved version by Thomas Edison)
• Telephone (Alexander Graham Bell, Scottish-born but developed in the U.S.)
• Air conditioning (Willis Carrier)
• Safety elevator (Elisha Otis)
• Barbed wire (Joseph Glidden)
• Zipper (Whitcomb Judson)
• Transistor (Bell Labs)
🚗 Transportation
• Airplane (Wright brothers)
• Assembly line for cars (Henry Ford)
• Automatic transmission (Alfred Horner Munro)
• Skateboard
• Segway
• Hovercraft (American co-invention)
💻 Technology & Computing
• Personal computer (Altair 8800, Apple I)
• Internet (ARPANET) (U.S. Department of Defense project)
• Email (Ray Tomlinson)
• Video game console (Magnavox Odyssey)
• Mouse (computer) (Douglas Engelbart)
• Smartphone (concept) (IBM Simon)
🎮 Entertainment & Pop Culture
• Motion pictures (narrative film) (Thomas Edison’s lab & others)
• Jazz, Rock ‘n’ Roll, Hip-Hop (American musical genres)
• Television broadcasting
• Disney animation
• Comic books (Superman, Batman, Marvel, etc.)
🥫 Food & Drink
• Coca-Cola
• Peanut butter (George Washington Carver popularized it, others patented it)
• Cheeseburger
• Chocolate chip cookies
• Corn flakes (John Harvey Kellogg)
• Fast food (as a business model) (White Castle, McDonald’s, etc.)
⚕ Medical & Scientific
• Hearing aid (modern electronic type)
• Pacemaker (external version)
• Artificial heart
• DNA fingerprinting (co-developed)
• CRISPR gene editing tools (co-developed, part American-led research)
📱 Modern Innovations
• iPhone (developed by Apple Inc.)
• Social media platforms (Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc.)
• Streaming services (Netflix model)
• GPS (originally U.S. military)
Sure! Here’s a list of huge American companies, many of which are global giants and industry leaders. I’ve grouped them by industry to make it easier to navigate:
💻 Technology & Internet
• Apple – iPhones, Macs, services (largest U.S. company by market cap)
• Microsoft – Windows, Office, Azure cloud
• Google (Alphabet Inc.) – Search, Android, YouTube
• Amazon – E-commerce, AWS cloud services, devices
• Meta (Facebook) – Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp, Oculus
• NVIDIA – GPUs, AI chips (hugely dominant in AI hardware)
• Tesla – Electric vehicles, solar, batteries (Elon Musk)
• Intel – Computer processors and chips
• IBM – Enterprise tech and consulting
🛒 Retail & Consumer Goods
• Walmart – Largest retail chain in the world
• Costco – Wholesale retail
• Target – Department store chain
• Procter & Gamble (P&G) – Consumer products (Tide, Gillette, etc.)
• PepsiCo – Food and beverages (Pepsi, Frito-Lay, Gatorade)
• Coca-Cola – Beverages
🏦 Finance & Insurance
• JPMorgan Chase – Largest U.S. bank
• Bank of America
• Wells Fargo
• Citigroup
• Goldman Sachs – Investment banking
• **