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5 states and now "Ohio Nation" have pursued or desire to be independant from the (incorporated) United states governmental entity.

So far New Hampshire Texas Alaska Oklahoma Missouri Virginia and Vermont have considered doing it already. and now Ohio wants to too.
I hope for the disunited nations of north America. A peaceful "trial" separation while the fed works out its finances? could be fun.
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ArishMell · 70-79, M
Is that something like the Scots Nationalists, the Basque Separatists, the attempt by Chechnia to become independant from the Russian Federation?

There are many secessionist groups around the worlds, each with its background and motives of course, but most seem to have two thing in common.

These are a rather rosy view of creating a successful, independant, modern country; and an inability or unwillingness to explain fully and publicly how, or even if, they have considered how they would administer such a complicated entity.


To work effectively a nation has to:

1 Create its own governmental system. (Scotland, Wales and Ulster have devolved Parliaments; the USA has State equivalents.)

2 Create its own currency, treasury and tax systems. (Scotland has its own Pound [£] on parity with the £ Sterling.)

3 Create its own relationship, formal diplomatic links and border / customs policy with its former partner nation.

4 Decide its wider foreign policies, diplomatic links; paid memberships or signatory status of many international bodies and treaties.

Form and maintain its own:-

- 5 Legal system: not just Laws (the government's role), also independant Judiciary.

- 6 Defence systems even if it decides to be neutral: Security, Army, Air-force and if coastal, Navy.

- 7 Emergency-services: Police, Fire, Ambulances, (Coastguard if applicable).

- 8 Education, Health and Welfare systems, their physical property and staff.

9 Establish at least oversight and policies, if not national ownership, of its transport and utility services: road, rail, air and shipping as applicable; gas, electricity, water & sewerage, waste-disposal, postal etc.; and of its main industries including agriculture. At least some of these will need take into account points 2), 3) and 4) above.

10 Create its own impartial civil-service to operate the nation: the government sets policies but a proper civil-service administers them at departmental and local level for the public at large, not just for the government.

Obviously at least some of the physical assets and the staff already exist and will be inherited, but the break-away parties also seem not to .....


11... Calculate how to pay for all these, even if they strip all services to absolute minimum provision and quality; and not just to establish them in their shiny new country, but to maintain them in future.


It's also important to remember that any services, such as railways and water-supplies, that remain owned in their original homes become imports. This has two effects: their income after tax is lost to the country; and if the service becomes uneconomical, that might be lost as well, or at least have to become very much more expensive. The secessionists cannot expect subsidies from the nation they have rejected!

Of course, the new country might have an advantage if it can export surplus electricity or water to its "new" neighbour.


(Although the EU is NOT a nation, GB lost its subsidies on leaving the bloc - but, the role was reversed. Britain was a nett contributor to the EU funds, not a nett beneficiary of them.)