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LeopoldBloom · M
These people need to read the Federalist Papers. The idea of several small countries was already discussed and is just as bad of an idea today as it was 250 years ago.
Do these people realize that they will have to either give back or purchase any federal property in their new countries, while also taking on their share of the national debt? Or they haven't thought it through that far?
Do these people realize that they will have to either give back or purchase any federal property in their new countries, while also taking on their share of the national debt? Or they haven't thought it through that far?
jehova · 31-35, M
@LeopoldBloom the fed has debt. No way did vermont agree to that payment? Or ohio. Or anyone.
LeopoldBloom · M
@jehova They agreed to it by electing the president, senators, and congressmen. They also benefitted from whatever products or services were purchased with the national debt that made their way down to the states. This is one of the reasons why Quebec hasn't seceded from Canada yet - they don't want to take on their share of the Canadian national debt.
Also, there's no mechanism for a state to secede from the union. Article IV, Section 3 describes how new states may be added to the union, either by dividing or combining existing states, or acquiring new territory. According to Texas v. White, once a state joins the union, it's permanent.
Also, there's no mechanism for a state to secede from the union. Article IV, Section 3 describes how new states may be added to the union, either by dividing or combining existing states, or acquiring new territory. According to Texas v. White, once a state joins the union, it's permanent.
jehova · 31-35, M
@LeopoldBloom they agreed to it? No. their representatives may have but i did not personally agree to fund the defense of a country ive never been to and know no one in. Did you vote for a blank check to a foreign country while our country cannot even fix its roads or fund its k-12 schools? But yea sure i as a tax paying citizen woiudnt survive without the principles contained in The Federalist Papers? Also 130 years later its different now. I havent received a telegram from you in a number of years nor a letter!, especially not on hemp parchment paper in olde English. What say ye?
jehova · 31-35, M
@LeopoldBloom and we could amend the constitution to allow for separation. Divorce wasnt legal and was "religious\social suicide" until the 1960s? The law is supposed to adjust to the needs of its people.
A nation for and by the people. Not only its BANKRUPT government.
A nation for and by the people. Not only its BANKRUPT government.
LeopoldBloom · M
@jehova We don't live in a pure democracy where we vote on everything the government does. We elect representatives who make those decisions. If you don't like it, then run for office yourself. In the case of Ukraine, we voted for people who decided that it made more sense to stop Putin's illegal war over there, than to try to stop him when he invades a NATO country.
The federal government isn't responsible for your local roads or schools, that's either your city or state government. Call your governor or mayor and tell them to take care of it.
The point of a Constitution is to make rules during calm periods that can be followed during turbulent periods. That being said, the US Constitution is unusually difficult to amend and we will probably never see an amendment in our lifetime.
The federal government isn't responsible for your local roads or schools, that's either your city or state government. Call your governor or mayor and tell them to take care of it.
The point of a Constitution is to make rules during calm periods that can be followed during turbulent periods. That being said, the US Constitution is unusually difficult to amend and we will probably never see an amendment in our lifetime.
jehova · 31-35, M
@LeopoldBloom as described we dont live in a democracy at all. we live in a republic with democratic elections usurped by outdated safeguards that have been adjusted to be ineffective.
Id run for office but in the current environment i have to be a post retirement age criminal to be elected. At present im healing from brain surgery, made far worse by post retirement age doctors. Suprise suprise; Maybe next time.
My ideas would work. I published while in grade school (junior year) . I know how to produce agricultural gasoline from hemp. Which is why marijuana was ever made illegal in 1938 (fun fact). Assuming America survives in its current form. (id be suprised).
The federal government is responsible for some infrastructure but only seems to provide aid for disaster relief, aid to foreign countries, and to the military; reminiscent of ww2. Why should we pay federal taxes at all if the money isnt used to help the states paying those taxes? The fed is supposed to help fund k12 education. They barely do.
Yes the constitution requires amendments to be improved. Unfortunately, Representatives mostly, post-retirement age, arent willing to be bothered fixing the document and in general just put on a show making it worse with neglect. keeping up appearances; retirement is currently 65 or 67.
Id run for office but in the current environment i have to be a post retirement age criminal to be elected. At present im healing from brain surgery, made far worse by post retirement age doctors. Suprise suprise; Maybe next time.
My ideas would work. I published while in grade school (junior year) . I know how to produce agricultural gasoline from hemp. Which is why marijuana was ever made illegal in 1938 (fun fact). Assuming America survives in its current form. (id be suprised).
The federal government is responsible for some infrastructure but only seems to provide aid for disaster relief, aid to foreign countries, and to the military; reminiscent of ww2. Why should we pay federal taxes at all if the money isnt used to help the states paying those taxes? The fed is supposed to help fund k12 education. They barely do.
Yes the constitution requires amendments to be improved. Unfortunately, Representatives mostly, post-retirement age, arent willing to be bothered fixing the document and in general just put on a show making it worse with neglect. keeping up appearances; retirement is currently 65 or 67.