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Is Ukraine a corrupt country? I don’t know what to think or believe.

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bowman81 · M Best Comment
It is a country that emerged from the corrupt Soviet Union who has been at war with the remnants of that same Soviet Union since 2014. Torn by civil war and outright invasion. There is more than a little corruption in Ukraine, more than a little oppression from the leadership. I'm not convinced it is utterly corrupt, certainly less corrupt than the invaders.

This country took extreme measures during WWII, rounded up citizens and put them into concentration camps....made a lot of errors.....yet, I would not call WWII USA corrupt.

It is not an easy yes or no, black and white answer. Certainly, Ukraine has corruption, repressed civil rights of the population, and could be better led. There are extenuating conditions that make these somehow less objectionable in times of war.

I am not ready to write off Ukraine as a failed state, but it is certainly a State under extreme stress with all that entails.

Gibbon · 70-79, M
You're getting very helpful replies here.
Does it feel talking to a wall?
I'm not sure of good answer in some ways Russia and Ukraine seem corrupt regarding each other for many years. I don't much stock in the Ukraine did this Russia did that babble.
However regarding our involvement and recent events I offer this.

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Gibbon · 70-79, M
@NoGamesTolerated I just know he had discussion with Lindsey Graham before hand. My mind why and WTH. I don't trust him.
I've said this over and over Z wasn't trying to have a discussion he was deflecting the whole time. You could see Trump getting ticked off.
I don't know why he showed other than to make some unknown point on US cameras with the president. He had no intention of signing and giving up total control. If Europe puts any stipulations on him affecting his control he won't agree either. Without them he's backed into a corner.
If he fights on his own it's a slaughter house.
JamesBugman · 56-60, T
@Gibbon One day when you are fighting for your life, lets see if you take time out to thank anyone. My bet is you don't even think about it. I am not talking about after you are in the hospital, but when you are laying on the road, an arm and a leg missing and you are bleeding out, and some stranger is there trying to save you.
tRump and Vance think the fellow dying should be saying thank you over and over because they are such swell guys.
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carpediem · 61-69, M
I believe the people, like most around the world, are hard working honest people who care for their countrymen. However, I believe the political class are crooks.
@carpediem thank you!
All politicians are corrupt to some extent. I don’t think it’s a profession that attracts honest people. You end up choosing the lesser of two evils.
@YourMomsSecretCrush I wasn’t necessarily asking about leaders.. I meant the country itself?
@NoGamesTolerated never been there, and judging from what’s been goin on, I don’t have any plans to visit anytime soon. LOL.
MrAverage1965 · 61-69, M
Like many country there was a degree of corruption before the Russians invaded and it's probably still going on in some areas.
I don't think it's any more corrupt than lots of other countries, certainly not as corrupt as Russia.
bowman81 · M
Thank you for the Besty.
CrazyMusicLover · 31-35
How knowing if it was/is would help you?
TexChik · F
Its president and some of the generals appear to be.
wildbill83 · 41-45, M
they consistently rank pretty high on corruption

In 2012, they were ranked #3 in the world after columbia & brazil
In 2015, they were ranked most corrupt country in Europe
In 2023, out of 180 countries polled, they were still in the top 1/3rd of most corrupt

Even as pitiful as Europe has become over the last decade, they're not even worthy of NATO.

They are a kleptocracy, and no where near a democracy (let alone a republic) yet.
Pre trump is was widely accepted as the 2nd most corrupt country ever..

Post trump .. it’s filled with mother Teresa’s who’s mouth butter wouldn’t melt..

Weird
wildbill83 · 41-45, M
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout strange how that happened after z met with & endorsed democrats back in September... 🤔
Thrust · 56-60, M
I know the most fiendish Nazi death camp guards were virtually all Ukranian 🙅
Thrust · 56-60, M
@NoGamesTolerated

Not anymore
@Thrust oh ok
Thrust · 56-60, M
@NoGamesTolerated

It was the setting for Fiddler on the Roof. But that was written in the 19th century

 
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