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Why the Gaza War narrative has taken over the left

These days, you can't mention a tragic event like the Oklahoma City bombing or the JetSet Club collapse without a chorus of people screaming "Gaza has it worse." It's become one of the main focuses of the left. Other far worse situations are either ignored or explained away.

This obsession fits the Christian redemption story that the western left abandoned and needs to replace with a secular version. We're taught that by living in the west, we've inherited the "original sins" of racism, colonialism, white supremacy, capitalism, environmental destruction, and other "sins" we can't escape. So the secular "salvation" is through the suffering of the innocent, Christ-like Palestinians, who take the place of Jesus by literally "dying for our sins" at the hands of the Jews, who are also guilty of killing the original Jesus. By elevating "free Palestine" to a sacred cause and opposing "Zionism," the liberal westerner is absolved of sin, the same way his Christian forbears were absolved by accepting Jesus and rejecting Satan.
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Two huge differences are that no taxpayer money was used to facilitate the Oklahoma City bombing and JetSet Club collapse, and that there are no big marches in support of those. Your examples were unfortunate events while the genocide in Gaza is actively done in your name. The sadness can be the same, but the outrage should be different.
@NerdyPotato But taxpayer money for the genocide Saudi Arabia has been carrying out in Yemen is OK.
@LeopoldBloom that's your opinion. I don't think many would agree.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
I find it fascinating that the actual deaths of human beings isn't important, it's the fact people don't talk about it in a way that you approve of that's the priority.
@CountScrofula Guy's never heard of de facto rule.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@LeopoldBloom I'm confused. Genuinely.

Are you trying to say that the Palestinians all follow orders from a central command that could give an order for them to cease fighting, and that would end the conflict?
BlueVeins · 22-25
@LeopoldBloom If you're asking what someone would do if they were in charge of [ethnicity], I think that's a good sign that things went wrong somewhere in your thought process.
I don't agree with you on Palestine, my views stay the same as Gaza has had nearly 60X October7ths.

But you are bang on right here:

We're taught that by living in the west, we've inherited the "original sins" of racism, colonialism, white supremacy, capitalism, environmental destruction, and other "sins" we can't escape.
@BritishFailedAesthetic And like Christianity, where you're "saved" if you say the right words and identify with the right group, in this case you achieve salvation by adding a watermelon emoji to your signature and identifying as "antizionist." And just like the bumper sticker that says "Christians aren't perfect, just forgiven," you can continue to take advantage of white supremacy, environmental destruction, capitalism, because you've been "saved" by holding the correct belief.
@LeopoldBloom Nothing to do with saying the right words at all but by believing on Christ's shed blood for our sin which has e

And I don't have any of those advantages.
BlueVeins · 22-25
You can't even do a genocide these days without lefties getting mad. 😞 Society

There's so much wrong with this whole rant. The point is not and has never been that the Palestinians are somehow 'innocent' as an ethnicity. The point is that an ethnicity of people can't be categorically guilty, and that no set of circumstances could possibly justify what Israel has done to them.

And this whole conflation of Israel with "the Jews" is and always has been deeply, deeply antisemitic. It's one big thing the ADL and the Taliban have in common, and for kind of the same reason. Fact is, Jewish Voice for Peace has been one of the loudest and most persistent voices against the genocide here in the US, while the most powerful supporter of Israel today are weapons manufacturers and right wing Evangelicals.
BlueVeins · 22-25
@LeopoldBloom
It sounds like they'd be OK with a Jewish "ethnostate" in Israel within the 1967 borders, and a Palestinian one in Gaza and the West Bank.

Based on what? I think their position is either --

A) 1 state solution, everyone's a big country where everyone lives in peace, or
B) 2 state solution. Palestinian exists and Israeli exists, but neither as a quasi-ethnostate. Equal justice under law in both countries, like we aspire to here in the US.
@BlueVeins JVP calls itself "antizionist." By definition, antizionism opposes Jewish self-determination in Israel. That is deeply antisemitic even if no one wants to admit that. If I were to say "the Mexican people are great but the country of Mexico shouldn't exist," that would be anti-Mexican. And repeating nonsense like "the state of Israel and the Jewish people are not the same thing" is either ignorant or a redefinition of Zionism.

We should be post-Zionist by now, by that I mean once Israel declared its independence in 1948, Zionism achieved its goal. It would be like someone in the US saying they support the 13 colonies declaring independence from Great Britain. Israel exists and will continue to exist. You don't hear anyone calling themselves a Chinaist or Russiaist because the continued existence of those countries is taken for granted despite the past and current atrocities both are carrying out.
BlueVeins · 22-25
@LeopoldBloom If Mexico existed as a white quasi-ethnostate which heavily discriminated against non-white Mexicans, I actually think opposing Mexico's existence as a "white people state" would be pretty good, and in fact, not racist against white people.

The way you talk about anti-zionism is very weasely. "Jewish self-determination" can mean anything from the racist status quo to citizens in their respective countries getting to vote like everyone else, as God intended. "Mexico shouldn't exist" could mean anything from the country being fucking nuked out of existence to peacefully joined with some other country, or that it should divide itself into multiple countries.
I have found that generally if you don’t support authoritative Muslim regimes, you’re immediately labeled a fascist. Often by people who live in countries that are liberal. If one calls out the double standard one is labeled a coloniser pro-apartheid racist. It’s like that in my country, who have openly supported Hamas. In the meantime they host war criminals of the Congo. That irks me as such a double standard. If I mention this - then I’m pro genocide. I’m sorry for all victims of war anywhere and I’m not interested in some tribal this side VS that. That seems like a position one can’t seem to take anymore. The Gaza war/issue has become a sacred cause above others it seems. Why is that?
HiFiRaver · 18-21, M
I think it’s more than the US has unconditional support for Israel, who are killing Palestinians en masse. So when people say “what about [all these other bad things]?” the difference is Gaza is happening right now and we’re making it happen. That is what makes it relevant, especially to Americans who oppose what Israel is doing. It’s not a contest for what’s worse, it’s about what the government is actively doing right now and that they should stop (but neither party wants that to happen).
@HiFiRaver So if the US ended all military aid to Israel, you would lose interest in the conflict?
DavidT8899 · 22-25, M
That's a pretty apt analogy,and I'm betting that you agree with me that the people who buy into it are wildly wrong.
Duh, because America didn't fund the bombing of Oklahoma City. And so many of the same people who will rightly talk about the war crimes Russia is committing in Ukraine will then openly support Israel as they commit war crimes against Palestinians. Leftists see these enormous double standards every day and think, WTF?!
We don't talk about issues that everyone already agrees on, because that would be pointless. We talk about issues people are unaware of, especially involving a problem that could quickly be solved. If America stopped funding Israel, the apartheid would be over. Whereas something like the Russia-Ukraine war is a lot more complicated.
@LeopoldBloom
So if the US ended all military aid to Israel, you would lose interest in the conflict?

The conflict would end.
@BohemianBabe Not necessarily as military aid to Hamas from Qatar, Iran, and others would continue.
@LeopoldBloom But Hamas only has support because of the apartheid.
MartinII · 70-79, M
More prosaically, the left always talk about Israel (occasionally about Jews) and Palestinians, never about Hameas, who are principally responsible for the suffering of people in Gaza.
@MartinII Are there any mainstream pundits in the UK that support Hamas?

If you look long enough, you'll fine someone who supports anything. This is why I go by pundits, politicians, and community leaders. Those people represent very large portions of society. If a mainstream pundit is defending Hamas, then that means there is an audience for Hamas supporters. But if you just see like twenty people in the street defending Hamas, that doesn't mean it's a widespread point of view.
MartinII · 70-79, M
@BohemianBabe Not overtly, that I know of. But many simply ignore Hamas, ignore October 7, and say nothing about Hamas's deliberate placing of Palestinian civilians in or next to military targets. That, to my mind, amounts to tacit support for Hamas. There's also a legal aspect. Hamas is a proscribed terrorist organisation, so open support for it is, or should be, risky
@MartinII That's a lot different than supporting Hamas. Lots of people never spoke about China's genocide of their Muslim population, it doesn't mean they supported it.

Also, remember Hamas only exists because of the Israeli government. If America and the EU stopped funding Israel, it wouldn't just be the end of this genocide, it would be an end of the apartheid state as a whole, as well as Hamas.
Actually people in general just don't like actual genocide anywhere at any time, Bud. Genocide = bad.
@MartinII Would you or Leopold have brought it up unless you were trying to make a political statement about "leftists"?

Go talk about the genocide of the Druze without bringing US politics into it if you're actually serious. Maybe that will be useful.
MartinII · 70-79, M
@SinlessOnslaught I didn't bring anything up. I'm simply responding to the comments of others.
@MartinII You're supporting his claims.
benJohnson99 · 18-21, M
Whether the issue has been the focus of the right or left the World sits back and does nothing to see starvation being used as a weapon of war, homes being demolished and genocide is taking place right before the Worlds eyes, what has happened to Humanity.
@benJohnson99 Just make believe it's happening in Sudan, Eritrea, or Yemen so you won't have to care, the same way you don't care about those conflicts.
benJohnson99 · 18-21, M
@LeopoldBloom I dont have to care this famine is man made by Israel cannot believe you cannot care when children are dying of a lack of food and medical supplies
MarineBob · 56-60, M
Or the pothole righin front of my driveway
These
other worse situations
, what do you do about them?
@AlienTheExtraterrestrial As an individual, nothing. But some people think putting a watermelon emoji on their Instagram profile and posting "free Palestine" is real activism.
@LeopoldBloom Do you think real activism is ineffective or beneath you?
@AlienTheExtraterrestrial What would "real activism" look like in this case?
Northwest · M
Your MAGA transformation is complete. Congrats.
Northwest · M
@LeopoldBloom
"liberal, except for Jews"

Another AIPAC speaking point.

There's a lot more to MAGA than Zionism

And another "straw man", as if what I said had anything to do with Zionism.

But you know that.

Tell me, of the 100 people who were massacred a couple of days ago, while trying to get food to stave off starvation, how many actually were killed, and how many were going to die anyway, because too malnourished to be concerned about.

FYI: for the readers who don't know what this is about, the OP claimed that the number of killed in Gaza is exaggerated, because some of them were going to die anyway.
@Northwest Do you think no one would have died in Gaza over the past 2 years if the war hadn't happened?

You're the one who accused me of being MAGA because I'm a Zionist.

I also can't help but notice that you jumped directly to an ad hominem attack instead of offering a coherent argument to what I posted. But you probably think that people marching in the streets and adding watermelon emojis to their Instagram profile means that the world is turning against Israel and people actually care about the Palestinians as more than objects for virtue signaling.
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@SomeMichGuy It's called slacktivism.
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@jshm2 If it was "rules for everyone," you would see similar demonstrations over far worse conflicts in other parts of the world.

 
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