Epic Double standards

Hmmm...

[quote][b][i]"From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free,"[/i][/b][/quote]

Is it Hamas who said this? Or Israel?

There are Arab Palestinians who live in Gaza and there are Arab Palestinians who live in Israel. Right? Which ones are free?

Those who live in Israel make up 22% of the population. They are full citizens. They vote. They own businesses. They go to school. Attend university. Hold public office. They seem pretty free to me.

Those who live in Gaza live very different lives. Oh, this is due to Israeli oppression, you say? Gaza has received over twenty billion dollars in aid over the last twenty years, $5.2 billion from the US alone. This was enough that, with good governance, Gaza could be the Singapore of the Med today.

Arab Palestinians living in Gaza live under the oppressive thumb of Hamas. They are not free.

So, yes, from the river to the sea, all Arabs and all Jews and all Christians should be free from oppression living under a democratic government.

I think each individual who uses the expression can be asked what they mean by it, but I do think using the term is reasonably understood to be more than just civil rights. The graphic of the phrase also lends itself to such an interpretation per the below

It’s not unusual to call for the elimination of Israel. Guitarman does. Being opposed to Zionism, which is common as well, would seem to call for the elimination of Israel, although I suppose someone could make an argument that Israel could still exist, but in some transformed version. I’ve grown so tired of the bad faith defense of “criticizing Israel is not anti-Semitic” as no reasonable person believes this, that making the charge is pointless and in fact, a distinction without a difference. Being against the existence of Israel is more the issue.

I don’t think it’s hypocritical to not support the opposite of one’s position, though. Or, to put it another way, if two people bid on a house, one person can’t charge the other person with hypocrisy for also wanting the house. I think the response to this may be "the Palestinians just want to share, not the whole thing." Well, we know that is not Hamas' position and they were the authority in Gaza. Now they will be underground and I assume suicide bombings will resume.

I used to be for a two stare solution, but now I think that is more of a slogan because it will never happen; neither side will compromise on the principal of “the right of return.” I do support a canton like existence for the West Bank and the elimination of all settlements. Come to think of it, that will never happen, either.

Anyone still siding with Israel just doesn't want to admit they were tricked.

What started the current conflict? I'm sure we'll have different answers but that's just because you're so predictable a left wing echo chamber not a single thought you've formed without influence

Yeah... I think you're thinking way too much into this.

Regardless of what the phrase might have meant at some point in history, it's relevance can mean something different today - and between individual chanters, too. One guy could say that he wants Palestine free from war while another woman might say that she wants Palestine free from invaders.

Closer to home, we still have football fans chanting about the World Wars when England face Germany at the World Cup - but no one cares about that being in bad taste and making a mockery of all the lives we lost.

First I'd like your opinion: Can a Semite be an Antisemite?

According to WHO there is not a single hospital surviving in Gaza. How is this not a crime against humanity?
Not. A. Single. One. There were 34.

Friday the ICJ will rule on the preliminary genocide relief petition filed by South Africa. Can't wait!!

I am not fan of Netanyahu and settler expansion. That does not mean Hamas was in any way even close to justified but I pray that Netanyahu‘a group is finished there and cooler heads can soon prevail.

It's like "Black Lives Matter." A catchy, aspirational phrase that can be interpreted differently depending on perspective.

Both sides are as crazy, hate filled and inflexible as the other. There will never be peace there.

thats just one man, who shouldn't be running the show any longer.

edit: that doesn't mean can abide by the saying when it's used by mobs,just that I don't support him. Israel needs a new leader to protect its borders

I think there should be two states. It's a compromise.

Go Bibi! Lol

I'm opposed to both sides doing ethnic cleansing and war crimes.