What Israel is doing in Palestine [I Want Justice For Palestine]

@Elena05 Indeed, but here in the USA it's especially focused upon because America provides billions of dollars in both money and weapons to Israel every year and shields them from criticism as much as possible. The Israeli lobby, AIPAC, also controls a tremendous amount of US politics by giving money to candidates and expecting favors from them in return.

Although, you bring up Saudi and Yemen, and that's basically the same situation. America gives even more money and weapons to SA than they do to Israel, and the Saudi lobby bribes even more US politicians than AIPAC does.

@Elena05 The US under the Biden administaration have phased out supporting Saudi Arabia with weapons.

@Spotpot No they have not. What Biden has done is to stop supporting "offensive bombing campaigns." Every time the Saudis decide to conduct another bombing mission, the US politely asks if it's offensive or defensive, and if Saudi says it's defensive, then the US supports it.

Which is useless. Because they'll say it's defensive every single time.

@Elena05 Simple answer - there are no Jews involved in those other conflicts.

@LeopoldBloom I think it's because the US isn't militarily involved in those other conflicts, with the exception of the situation in Yemen. We tend to focus on the stuff that we can directly influence.

@Elena05 It's not what you say. No one can judge except when he sees for himself. When Israel was exterminating the Palestinians, the world was calm, and when Hamas responded with rockets to Israel, suddenly the world woke up from their slumber.
It is the suffering of an innocent people. Imagine that you lose your children in front of your eyes, or that the house collapses over your head, or that someone throws you an internationally prohibited phosphorous bomb. Is this a small thing?

@Sarah1 That's what I tell people when they talk about Yemen. I lived through it myself. I tell people to pretend that it was one of their family members, mom or dad, son or daughter, best friend maybe, who was killed by an American drove or Saudi bomber jet. For nothing. Because they don't like the religion that your government ascribes to.

@LeopoldBloom That would be what they call poisoning the well.

@BlueMetalChick [quote]No they have not. What Biden has done is to stop supporting "offensive bombing campaigns." Every time the Saudis decide to conduct another bombing mission, the US politely asks if it's offensive or defensive, and if Saudi says it's defensive, then the US supports it.

Which is useless. Because they'll say it's defensive every single time.
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In the real world, here's what happened: The Biden administration suspended the sale of offensive weapons to Saudi Arabia, but it will allow the sale of defensive weapons. Same thing applies to the Emirates.

For instance, air to surface weapons were removed from the list of weapons that can be sold, as those are used against Yemenis, while surface to air defenses, to protect Saudi civilian airports and oil facilities from Houthi drones, are allowed.

@BlueMetalChick I'd be surprised if one in 100 of the Americans who are posting photos of dead Palestinian kids could even find Yemen on a map. Maybe one in 1000 are even aware that there is a war there and the US was funding it.

@Northwest Sorry but that is bullshit. In reality they just did a bait and switch and funneled weapons through their Canadian subsidiaries.

@LeopoldBloom That is a stretch and a clear attempt to make anyone who questions the actions of Israel as naive. Pretty lame.

@LeopoldBloom Unfortunately this is true. The Yemen crisis seems to be largely ignored, at least in comparison to how big it is.

@Northwest [quote]In the real world, here's what happened: The Biden administration suspended the sale of offensive weapons to Saudi Arabia, but it will allow the sale of defensive weapons. Same thing applies to the Emirates.[/quote]
Aaaaaand there's the admission. "No more offensive weapons but we'll sell you defensive weapons." And how exactly does one sell "defensive weapons" to a country for the purposes of invading another nation? How do you "defensively invade" your neighbor?

Meanwhile, we're continuing to support the blockade of Yemen and the Saudi bombing campaign. Defensively.

@BlueMetalChick That is often true of the general public but those who know about international law and care about war crimes are nut usually the same ignorant masses. They tend to be far more informed people which is why I think their comment was disingenuous.

@BlueMetalChick "Depensive weapons" euphemism is the same bullshit used as an excuse to arm fascist battalions in Ukraine a few years ago. Israel was in that came too btw. Their government got alot of flack for that internally and internationally.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Just like we aren't arming Al Qaeda, we're arming "freedom fighters."

@BlueMetalChick Yep. At least the AR platform has so many clones around the world it is easier for the US government to play the "you can't prove they got them from us" card. A neo nazi battalion armed with Tavors is a bit harder to explain away.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Tavor just brought me back to the days of playing Thing Thing Arena 3 in my grade school computer lab.

@BlueMetalChick

[quote]Aaaaaand there's the admission. "No more offensive weapons but we'll sell you defensive weapons." And how exactly does one sell "defensive weapons" to a country for the purposes of invading another nation? How do you "defensively invade" your neighbor?[/quote]

It looks like you stopped reading my comment, before you got to this sentence:

[quote]For instance, air to surface weapons were removed from the list of weapons that can be sold, as those are used against Yemenis, while surface to air defenses, to protect Saudi civilian airports and oil facilities from Houthi drones, are allowed.
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Like it or not, the Huthis are randomly hitting civilian airports and oil installations, and they turned Yemen into an Iranian stronghold.

@Northwest Lol. And who told you that? The Saudi King?

And I love that anything in the MENA that goes against US imperial designs is magically an Iranian plot. 🤦‍♂️

@Northwest Oh and the reason airports are targeted is because weapons shipments don't come in by pack mules anymore. Transport planes are a thing.


And oil is how the Saudis finance their invasion so yeah. Since when is attacking resources of the enemy off the table?

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow [quote]Lol. And who told you that? The Saudi King?

And I love that anything in the MENA that goes against US imperial designs is magically an Iranian plot. 🤦‍♂️
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Oh, hey, it's rebel without a clue again. No, rebel without a clue, I don't get this information from my imperialist overseers, I get it first hand, and in their native language.

We want to seek a deal with Iran, but fact is Iran's Mullahs have been running the show in Yemen, Iraq and Lebanon. Sure, it's thanks to our Iraqi invasion, but this is the situation we're dealing with now.

[quote]Oh and the reason airports are targeted is because weapons shipments don't come in by pack mules anymore. Transport planes are a thing.[/quote]

Strangely enough, so far they've only managed to hit passenger lounges in civilian airports.

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And oil is how the Saudis finance their invasion so yeah. Since when is attacking resources of the enemy off the table?[/quote]

Not an issue I discussed. The Saudis have the right to defend their oil installations, and these surface to air missiles are designed to shoot down drones. A legitimate thing.

We're cutting off the weapons they can use to continue targeting civilian targets in Yemen.

@Northwest I don't have a clue? You are the one parroting the same bullshit on CNN and your entire gig is you expect everyone to just take you as some sort of expert. But your words prove the exact opposite to the point of being comical.



More bullshit. American imperialism is always world police bullshit. Good job taking agency away from half the middle east in the process. The USA is somehow magically never responsible for any blowback ever. Very Trumpian. The national anthem should be changed to "Wasn't me" by Shaggy.



And yet more bullshit. As I pointed out they are just running all those weapons through their Canadian subsidiaries no questions or conditions. is all PR bullshit.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow [quote]I don't have a clue? You are the one parroting the same bullshit on CNN and your entire gig is you expect everyone to just take you as some sort of expert. But your words prove the exact opposite to the point of being comical.
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Yet, I am not parroting bullshit, I am telling it as is, based on first person accounts. Let me know when you start learning Arabic and Hebrew. How about after you've lived in Israel for a while, or visited Jordan, Egypt, Gaza, Syria, Lebanon, Turkey...

[quote]More bullshit. American imperialism is always world police bullshit. Good job taking agency away from half the middle east in the process. The USA is somehow magically never responsible for any blowback ever. Very Trumpian. The national anthem should be changed to "Wasn't me" by Shaggy.
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Hey, rebel without a clue, you may want to slow down there, as your bullshit has nothing with what I said. I am simply stating facts, you don't like it, because it does not fit your narrative. But the situation in Yemen is not black & white. The Huthis have legitimate claims, but they've long ceded the high moral ground when they became an Iranian client organization.

The Saudis chose a bulldozer technique to deal with the situation, resulting in massive civilian losses, but the Huthis are not blameless. We're choosing to limit our involvement, and try to reduce civilian casualties. A solution may emerge as a result of the Iran-US talks and that's the focus of the current administration's diplomatic effort.

I'm done with your bullshit in this thread, rebel without a clue.