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Why is it nobody gets where Israel is coming from?

In the 1930's there were lots of warnings from various people emerging from Germany about what the Nazis were doing, it was an attestation about what Hitler himself had mentioned in his 'Mein Kampf', the world ignored the Jews speaking out, so the Jews could see the world had no regard for them, so they learned an important lesson, which now figures in the political/moral policy from the State of Israel.

Israel doesn't subvert it's policy to the pressure exerted on it by world governments because where were those governments when six million Jews, including the best majority being the aged, women and children, were being murdered by Hitler's factories of death? Israel will pursue it's policy, which right now is to get their people being held hostage back and to erode Hamas' ability to attack the people of and state of Israel in terrorist warfare/murder-sprees.

You can understand Israel very easily with these factors in mind.
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
I support Israel's right to exist and to defend itself from the genocidal policies of Arab extremist groups and governments which Israel has been dealing with since the first Arab attacks back in 1948. HOWEVER, I do not approve of many of the repressive, bigoted policies of the Israeli government -- mass incarceration of Arabs, removing Arabs from their properties to make way for Israeli settlements, bulldozing the family homes of jailed Arabs, etc.

And people have to realize being against some policies of the Far Right in the Israeli government is NOT being against Jews or Judaism as a whole. The situation in the Middle East is a mess greatly because of the fact that BOTH sides are right in some ways, and BOTH sides are wrong in some ways.
Smidke · 26-30, F
@ChipmunkErnie I can see there are truths there, but it just seems strange to say Jew and far right in the same breath unless you are talking about the Nazis genocidal policies of the Thirties. Zionism has become an extremist view much the same as Islamist has desecrated the notion of 'submission to God' which was the original idea for many in Islam, before the jihadists began to dominate Arab/Muslim thought. Both groups are concerned only with what they want, at the cost of others, neither are thinking about consequences, if not in this life from any idea of justice than certainly at the end of time.
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
@Smidke Doesn seem "strange" to me at all. Half my family is Jewish, and there is a very large community of Hasidic Jews just down the road, so I've see both the liberal and far conservative sides all my life. As to Zionism, I think there had to be a divide between Jew wanting to emigrate to the Holy Land of their history and the extreme Zionist position of "A land without a people for a people without a land", which of course is nonsense -- Palestine has had a "people" -- combined Muslims, Jews, Christians, etc. -- for millennia.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
This isn't about force of argument.

It's about the fact that our governments are directly funding a genocide and, of they so choose, could place conditions on that funding.

Everyone is acting this way for reasons. That's fine. Stop the slaughter.
Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
So that validates zionists treating Palestine so horrifically?
Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@Smidke zionists run israel
Smidke · 26-30, F
@Guitarman123 You know this for certain? When you say zionists what do you actually mean?
Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@Smidke you know very well
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
Look at what the US did to Afghanistan and then Iraq in the aftermath of 9/11. Imagine what we'd have done if, instead of blowing people up, a group of Arabs had, the terrorists had raped, beheaded, and taken hostages, too. "Shock and Awe" as it was would have looked like nothing. The Israeli government is wrong in many of its policies as far as I'm concerned, BUT I cannot be surprised at their reaction to the massacre, rapine, and kidnapping by HAMAS.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
Everyone needs to listen to both sides in the current conflict. One side says that it plans to kill everyone of the opposite faith. Their charter states their genocidal goal. This plan is precisely the same as other forces for over 2K years. Having said that, i wish the deaths on both sides will stop! I understand stand that Israel has agreed to most of Hama's, and the world's demands and now, "the ball is in hamas's court."
GrinNude · 61-69, C
South Africa understands apartheid and is doing the right thing by bringing charges against Israel at the UN. Slowly starving an entire population is a war crime and an act of genocide.
Smidke · 26-30, F
@GrinNude Only from the point of view of the oppressed majority, Israelis are a minority among millions of belligerent Arabs!
GrinNude · 61-69, C
@Smidke Amnesty International and Jimmy Carter both refer to Israel as an apartheid state for obvious reasons!

GrinNude · 61-69, C
Amnesty International and Jimmy Carter both refer to Israel as an apartheid state for obvious reasons!

lumberjackslam · 41-45, M
what I don't get is why people don't call out the entire world a little more for the current situation. without the Holocaust the Zionist movement wouldn't have been so successful so fast. instead you have the most pro Palestine groups blaming Israel when their return to the holy land was the only move that made sense.
It’s why I [b]don’t[/b] understand some of their biases against non-European Jews.
By Uri Dorchin, Israeli anthropologist :
[quote] While Israeli society is not racially divided between Blacks and whites in the way that American society has long been, Israelis are certainly not color-blind, and having black skin can also have fatal consequences in Israel. For instance, in June 2019, Solomon Teka, an 18-year-old Israeli Jew of Ethiopian descent, was shot to death by an Israeli policeman, sparking widespread demonstrations and rioting.

The Solomon Teka incident was not an unprecedented event. In April 2015, video footage of Israeli policemen brutalizing Damas Pakada, a Jewish Ethiopian soldier, moved thousands of Israelis, Ethiopians and others, to the streets. One of the reasons this incident prompted a strong reaction was the fact that Pakada was an on-duty soldier wearing his military uniform. Military service is widely perceived as the ultimate rite of passage into Israeli society and as a stamp of approval for being a loyal Israeli citizen. Watching the footage of his assault (that was captured by a security camera), many Israelis saw Pakada not only as an individual but as an example of the successful assimilation of Ethiopians in Israel. Yet, the incident revealed that despite this assimilation, Ethiopian Israelis still suffered from police brutality and discrimination, even when they are in uniform. Thus, in their protests, Israeli Ethiopians accused the police, and the Israeli establishment more broadly, of racism against their community due to their skin color.
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Zonuss · 41-45, M
Because we know the [b]real[/b] story about how this all came to be. That's why. ☺️
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
Israel isn't the only nation in history to suffer Genocide and at least they received not only a country, but also reparations.

Armenians weren't so lucky, and were recently ethnically cleansed from their indigenous lands by Azerbaijan.

I don't see the world bothering to help Armenians.
Smidke · 26-30, F
@basilfawlty89 Armenians are a race, Jews are both race and religion.
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
@Smidke Armenians are an ethnoreligious group too. The Armenian Apostolic Church is the national church of Armenians.
Just so you know, Zionists started colonizing Palestine before Hitler even came to power

Palestinians could see that Zionists "had no regard for them" from the early 1900s

World history doesn't begin in the 1930s

[quote]Israel doesn't subvert it's policy to the pressure exerted on it by world governments[/quote]

Then the US could stop funding Israel year after year with no restrictions. If Israel is not going to be a US state or US overseas territory, there's no reason for US taxpayers to be constantly funding Israel. Israel can enact apartheid and genocide on its own dime.

And Zionists don't need to send me mailings like this when Israel chooses to spend its budget on genocide rather than domestic social programs:

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In contrast, US foreign aid would be better spent in Ukraine. Ukraine isn't engaging in apartheid or genocide and has more moral high ground in trying to defend itself from an invasion by an imperialist neighbor than does the IDF is indiscriminantly bombing tens of thousands of innocent civilians who have no realistic path to avoiding being bombed by the IDF.
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
@BlueGreenGrey "Zionists" -- aka Jews -- started "colonizing" the Holy Land a few thousand years ago and have been there ever since.
@ChipmunkErnie I know you know better than to pretend Jews were the only people in the Levant 2k years ago
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
@BlueGreenGrey Nope, the Jews were there, the Christians, the Muslims, etc., etc. NO ONE has a monopoly on the Holy Land.
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Smidke · 26-30, F
@Zeusdelight That's your impression I guess
Zeusdelight · 61-69, M
@Smidke Similarly, you expressed yours.

 
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