Israeli Jews should go back to Europe. What do the psychoanalysts say?
[quote]The notion that Jews are intruders is arguably classic anti-Semitism in that it can be traced back psychoanalytically to the child's relationship with the father vis-a-vis the mother. That is, the view that Jews are intruders is Oedipal in nature.
Keep in mind that 55-60% of Israeli Jews are not European; they are Middle Eastern in origin. They came to Israel not because of European Zionism but because they got kicked out of Arab countries after 1948. I love when people refer to Israelis as "Zionists." Most Jews in Israel are not descended from Zionists!! [/quote]
[i]--Bela Grunberger, "The Anti-Semite and the Oedipal Conflict." (1964) [/i]
Well, it’s hard to say. You like analogies; if a group of Native Americans broke into your established home to evict you and reclaim it: 1) Wouldn’t you see them as intruders ? 2) Would feeling that way make you an anti-Native American racist ? 🤔
@flipper1966 It sounds similar to the Federation of self-governing cantons proposed by former president Rivlin. He modeled his plan on the Swiss system. I think a unified state with regional self-determination would be ideal, but as long as Islamist groups like Hamas are in power, this will be impossible.
When I think of the image of Jews as intruders I see parallels between the position of Jews in Christian Europe during the middle ages and the postion of Jews in Muslim Palestine since the early 20th century.
[b]The position of Jews in Christian Europe during the middle ages[/b]
1. Jews were seen as a cursed people in Medieval Europe. Their primal crime of "murdering Jesus" made them collectively guilty of [b][i][u]deicide[/u][/i][/b]. The hatred of Jews was largely rooted in the Christian religion.
2. The Medieval Christians hatred of Jews came to be known as anti-semitism, a collection of stereotypes about the debased Jew. For Christians, the Jew had a mythical identity underlying his fact based identity.
3. Jews were outsiders or[i] intruders [/i]in most of the communities where they lived.
4. In medieval Europe, Jews were depicted as [b][i][u]"thieves and robbers." [/u][/i][/b] Martin Luther wrote in the 16th century:
[b]The position of Jews in Muslim Palestine since the early 20th century. [/b] 1. The Quran depicts Jews as a cursed people. The hatred of Jews in Palestine has a strong religious basis in Islam. Another source of hatred of Jews is post-Zionism land theft in the Arab-Muslim territory of Palestine and the notion that Jews commit the [b][i][u]genocide[/u][/i][/b] of Palestinians. The following text was posted on Islam.net
[i]2. QUESTION: To what extent is Arab-Muslim hatred of Jews based on anti-Semitism, a collection of stereotypes about the debased Jew, seen as cursed in Islam? For Muslims, to what extent do Jews have a mythical identity underlying their arguably fact-based identity as land thieves?[/i]
3. For Muslims in Palestine, Jews are outsiders or intruders.
4. Palestinians depict Jews as [b][i][u]land thieves. [/u][/i][/b] ________________________________
Many people don't even realise how anti-Semitic their culture is. Classical culture is imbued with anti-semitism. I've watched two pieces of fiction lately, an old one, a recent one; in both cases the villain was a Jew. Many people don't want to understand that the victims of ( and worse still , the offspring of these victims) a large-scale genocide that was organised in several countries, often with the connivance of ordinary citizens, want to exist as something else than the eternal refugee, the eternal scapegoat, the eternal victim. I do understand that a lot of Jewish people wanted to create a nation for themselves. And yet I abhor all religions and the very idea of starting a modern state based on religious principles does not sound good to my ears, and it's going to be tough to sustain this model without reproducing a form of xenophobia/ segregation.
I ain't know about all that. But either way, most of today's Israeli Jews were born in Israel. So it's not fair to expect them to leave. The only Israelis who should be forced to move are the "Jewish Settlers" who stole homes from people still living today.
What are you trying to say? You do know that Jews were living in what is now Israel for thousands of years before the Arabs, and that there is evidence of a very advanced Jewish society well before Christ?
@samueltyler2 [quote]but it pretty well places the Jewish people in that land well before the Iraqis. [/quote]
😂😂😂😂 Seriously dude? You think I'm taking about the current day Iraqis? Jesus Christ dude. 😂😂😂😂
[quote]Many other countries tried to eliminate the Jews, well before the more recent Christianity and who didn't even exist and until well after the destruction of the Jewish Temples which were located in Jerusalem.[/quote]
You don't say. I will add that to my historical repertoire, for sure. But, then again, here's what I actually said:
[quote]The topic was NOT the various attempts to throughout history, to eradicate Jews, that were mostly exclusively committed by people who billed themselves as Western Christians, [b][i][u]since the invention of Christianity[/u][/i][/b][/quote]
There's a context it, learn something about it. It certainly is not the Muslims who over the past couple of millenium who have been trying to eradicate Jews.
Backhanded compliments much?
But do keep moving the goal post, and ignore my original comment and your claims.
