Just the latest example of the French being....French.

The French President doing what the French are famous for doing - Waving the white flag.

Just as well Australia cancelled the French Subs. They might be unwilling to support them in the event of war with China.
Macron plans to be the next Napoleon. Damn I will have to renumber my house.
I never used to believe the stereotype about French people always surrendering, and Gino never fighting but now that macron has gone to kiss the ring of the CCP. I guess I was wrong..😢
Vichy Macron

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EarthlingWise · Best Comment

Thank you, that was a very thorough analysis.

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Khenpal1 · M

@EarthlingWise If one is talking about Trudeau, he knows how to keep his mouth shut. Macron on the other hand can by no means classify himself as a world leader. The absolute futility and hilariousness of his "attempt" to talk Putin out of war after it had already started showcased how arrogant and juvenile Macron is. This is just the latest blumder on his part which, surprise, Trudeau has managed to avoid. If his opponent weren't LePen, Macron would have been unemployed last election. Macron is not remotely close to a competent world leader.

EarthlingWise ·

@Khenpal1 you can comment on leaders without vilifying a whole nation.

Khenpal1 · M

@EarthlingWise you are so right 💥

LegendofPeza · 61-69, M

@Khenpal1 You're only opining mate , and tbh it just comes across as Francophobia.

Let's have a look at what you've said , and I'll ignore the surrender monkey nonsense that this post was ostensibly about :

"“The worse thing would be to think that we Europeans must become followers on this topic and take our cue from the U.S. agenda and a Chinese overreaction,” he added. - He's obviously talking about Taiwan here.

"Macron on the other hand can by no means classify himself as a world leader." - except being the President of France and France being a permanent member of the Security Council , clearly bestows that standing.

"France claims to be speaking for Europe." - No it doesn't. As I explained before Ursula von der Leyden speaks for Europe.

"France doesn't have a great reputation for foreign policy." - Apart from deciding to want to play no part in the greatest foreign policy disaster in recent modern history. i.e. the Iraq War

"The French don't like the free market, don't like trading." - lol , literally the entire point of the China visit.

"The French want to make Europe into a dam that protects Europe against the rest of the world. But it's primarily France that the dam protects." - France has an independent nuclear deterrent and is the most energy independent country on the continent.

"The French look to the state, l'Etat. They want the EU to reinstate their vanishing political grip on the economy." - You'll have to elucidate that for me. I honestly have no idea what you mean.

MaBalzEsHari · M

Australia cancelled the French contract for subs because they ere diesel powered. The U.S. submitted a bid as well and ours are nuclear powered.............meaning greater ability to stay in the field for longer terms and therefore greater capability in combat.

LegendofPeza · 61-69, M

France has surrendered to China ? There was a war ?

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Khenpal1 · M

@LegendofPeza Always in it, just at different depths.😁

LegendofPeza · 61-69, M

@Khenpal1 Macron wasn't speaking for Europe , Ursula von der Leyen was in her capacity as the President of the European Commission.

For the French , the trip to China was essentially a trade mission. Macron was accompanied by over 50 French business leaders from a wide array of industries and France and China signed several economic agreements involving major companies in sectors such as transport, energy, agriculture, culture and science.

If you want to bash the French then that's your prerogative , but don't try and dress it up as something that it's not.

Khenpal1 · M

@LegendofPeza Macron said, “The worse thing would be to think that we Europeans must become followers on this topic and take our cue from the U.S. agenda and a Chinese overreaction,” he added. German Christian Democrat MP and former head of the Bundestag’s foreign affairs committee, tweeted that Macron had “managed to turn his China trip into a PR coup for [Chinese President Xi Jinping] and a foreign policy disaster for Europe.” Well, Macron's vision for the EU doesn't fit Europe.

There is no support among the population for further centralisation and there is no enthusiasm for being governed by a far-off bureaucracy. The French want to make Europe into a dam that protects Europe against the rest of the world. But it's primarily France that the dam protects. Or more accurately, it shields France.

The French don't like the free market, don't like trading. The French look to the state, l'Etat. They want the EU to reinstate their vanishing political grip on the economy.

Roundandroundwego · 61-69

Europe doesn't exactly need to be a vassal state of the USA. Neither does France. It's a valid point.

LegendofPeza · 61-69, M

@Roundandroundwego When it comes to defence it does. For the time being at least.

Nimbus · M

Gotta keep traditions up, old chap ;)

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