Taking back control of our borders

@Entwistle Crossed Europe to seek asylum in the UK, I don't buy it.

@GeniUs You dont have to seek asylum in the first safe country.
The French and the Germans take far more asylum seekers than the UK.

@Entwistle But it's odd how fleeing from 'whatever' they don't settle in the first safe country, indeed they are willing to risk themselves again by crossing The English Channel in a small raft.

@GeniUs They are often seeking to join family members or compatriots in a country that they have at least a little knowledge of and a little language. But yes, all other large European countries have taken in far more asylum seekers than the UK.l

@SunshineGirl I've heard this excuse before, any reason why we don't see boat loads of women and children heading for the UK?

@GeniUs We do see women and kids coming to the UK. Detention centres are full of them. Also the media decide what pictures are published.

@Entwistle I know this is a tough one which is why I'm open to just leaving it, any sources for who is trying to claim asylum by gender, country, etc?
Why am I doing this?
The UK is a small country by surface area with some uninhabitable parts (mountains etc), we need to be self sufficient as we've seen with the results of an innocuous request to leave a monetary union and the trouble that has caused the UK.
We have a trillion pounds worth of debt.
We have a million unemployed.
In the UK it is more lucrative for adult members of a family to be unemployed than working.
We have already seen a result of an overburdened state in that the age of receiving a state pension has been increased to 67 and that doesn't include other cutbacks. I can't get a doctors appointment unless it's an emergency etc...
Yes I want to help everybody in the world but not while other countries aren't, or their own countries don't help their people or the UK is giving out Foreign Aid but still needing to take in migrants, if it continues we'll become a country that needs help.

@GeniUs Immigration brings billions of pounds into the country per annum.
You can't get a doctors appointment due to the Conservatives cutting the NHS to the bone. The odds are that when you do see a Dr he or she will be an immigrant or the offspring of an immigrant.
Most people claiming benefits are people in work..wages being so low they need to be topped up with benefits.
Scotland alone has over 36,000 empty homes,England 190,000.
There are so many jobs available now that the Govt are considering 'financially encouraging pensioners to go back to work. (Liz Truss said it)

@Entwistle 'd love to see your thoughts behind this; about 20 years ago they said that immigrants paid as much in tax as they took in benefits. SO much is wrong with this statement I haven't the time to get into it but it hasn't been repeated since...
A lot to be said for selective immigration when a country is on it's knees taking everybody
So the million unemployed don't claim? Really. Also does this mean the benefit system is so lucrative you can work and get benefits, those 0 hour contracts backfired badly.
Stop taking green land to build more, we need that to grow crops to feed people. Also Source?
Yeah the slave labour jobs of looking after lazy bastards who want servants but don't want to pay for them.
This country is a mess, allowing more people to add to it before it is sorted out only hastens it's doom; once there is no more oil or no more land to build on and the GDP falls the UK is going bust.

@GeniUs Where did i say the million unemployed dont get benefits? The benefits they get go back into society,into shops etc..helping keep business's survive.
Wages are so low that many working people need benefits to survive.
1 in 4 households rely on Housing Benefit and only 1 in 8 of those are households where nobody is working.
Go do some research before you spout your nonsense.

@Entwistle I'm sorry fella but you are masking over the problems; more people, more benefits and just recycling them doesn't increase the value to the country. You're making oblique attacks to try and justify your points and the fact that you are having to do this shows me that that is the only way to compete in this argument.
I'd like to be offended by this but quite honestly the opposite is true both in my offence and your statement. You are the one who needs to research or understand better the value of a pound. Also source? But I imagine this is all from your imagination.

@GeniUs So you are too scared to do any research..i suspected as much.
No worries,you are free to remain ignorant.

@Entwistle No, since you have all the research at your fingertips you can just give me the links, until then I will continue to believe that (and I'll simplify this); 'a finite land mass with finite resources cannot sustain an excessive number of people'*. And IMO that number has already been exceeded in the UK given the following: population density, national debt, unemployment level. Now I may be ignorant of the 'facts' you claim but at least I have a basic understanding of logic and statistics and that is something you need to get up to speed with.
* This can be applied to any country.

@GeniUs I choose when to educate you with facts. You have two choices,remain ignorant or educatw yourself. Go do some research.
All lands arw finite..unless you know of one that isn't?
One third of all food Brits buy is thrown away.
I gave you statistics re Housing Benefit,i gave you statistics re empty homes in Scotland and England.
It's not my concern whether you choose to believe/research them.

@GeniUs

(1) Labour shortages in British agriculture mean that food crops are going unharvested and may be contributing to inflation in food prices:

https://news.sky.com/story/food-costs-soaring-as-farms-are-crushed-by-visa-shortfall-12645764

(2) The NHS is undergoing its worst staffing shortage ever (around one in four NHS hospital staff were born outside the UK:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-62267282

(3) Birth rates (not taking into account foreign born residents) are stagnant or falling. We are facing a demographic crisis as our society ages and demands more workers to care for a dependent older population.

It is not popular to point this out, but the young unattached men on the small boats are precisely the people that the UK needs to attract. And that is a cold rational economic argument that does not even begin to address the wider humanitarian aspect.

@Entwistle You have presented nothing but hot air.

@SunshineGirl Meanwhile a million unemployed. Look at it this way if you had a family business and family refused to work in it preferring to do nothing would you allow them to do nothing and pay them and then pay somebody else to do the job?
Because we need more hand car washes and more unemployed (yes if a migrant takes a job that is one less for somebody born in this country).