Where do you think Judas went after he betrayed Jesus and committed suicide?
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kentex35 · 100+, M
Hell. If sister Mary Joseph was correct. Two reasons,1 suicide is self murder and you can't repent if you are dead hmmm
2.Sister Mary Joseph had an interesting angle on this one, her belief that Judas' 'mortal sin was despair. He killed himself because he thought he committed a sin that God could not forgive. To her and me for a long time to think or believe God could not do something to doubt or deny his power is a great sin I guess. Can God make a square circle? Her answer was God does not deal with contridiction. It's not a question of can he or not, don't ask because he doesn't. She was emphatic that contridiction were non questions. I thought she was a little over the top on her faith, she gave all to her Creator. I once suggested to her that I thought God needed us. One of those kids that like to mess with aggravating. When I said that I swear I thought the blood drained from her face. How could I suggest God needed anything. Like it was blasphemy. And she jumped me a bit but stood firm with a nervous smile that let me know I made her think. It just so happened what a coincidence that very Sunday the Catholic Church's weekly publication "The Record" had an article in the middle w with bold headlines titled "God Needs Us" 🤚 swear to God. Too her this was humbling but a miracle. Without any ado Monday morning (we had this discussion that past Friday) she called me up to the front of the class had the paper opened to that story and told me to read it to the class. I was in the eighth grade. I was like goddamn to myself I just looked at her she smiled barely noticable but very kind and said said read it to the class please. So I did and, handed it back to her, sat down and we started our week. And that was that.Crazy huh?
2.Sister Mary Joseph had an interesting angle on this one, her belief that Judas' 'mortal sin was despair. He killed himself because he thought he committed a sin that God could not forgive. To her and me for a long time to think or believe God could not do something to doubt or deny his power is a great sin I guess. Can God make a square circle? Her answer was God does not deal with contridiction. It's not a question of can he or not, don't ask because he doesn't. She was emphatic that contridiction were non questions. I thought she was a little over the top on her faith, she gave all to her Creator. I once suggested to her that I thought God needed us. One of those kids that like to mess with aggravating. When I said that I swear I thought the blood drained from her face. How could I suggest God needed anything. Like it was blasphemy. And she jumped me a bit but stood firm with a nervous smile that let me know I made her think. It just so happened what a coincidence that very Sunday the Catholic Church's weekly publication "The Record" had an article in the middle w with bold headlines titled "God Needs Us" 🤚 swear to God. Too her this was humbling but a miracle. Without any ado Monday morning (we had this discussion that past Friday) she called me up to the front of the class had the paper opened to that story and told me to read it to the class. I was in the eighth grade. I was like goddamn to myself I just looked at her she smiled barely noticable but very kind and said said read it to the class please. So I did and, handed it back to her, sat down and we started our week. And that was that.Crazy huh?
@kentex35 [quote]Hell. If sister Mary Joseph was correct. Two reasons,1 suicide is self murder and you can't repent if you are dead hmmm[/quote]
1. We're not supposed to rely on Sister Mary Joseph.... it's what God says that counts. If you're talking about Jesus's mother, Mary, she can't say anything, she's dead.
2. You think there's nobody in this world who hasn't asked God to forgive them before they killed themselves? Come on.
[quote] 2. Sister Mary Joseph had an interesting angle on this one, her belief that Judas' 'mortal sin was despair. He killed himself because he thought he committed a sin that God could not forgive.
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1. Since when, is Sister Mary Joseph a mind reader? For her to suggest that judas' "mortal sin" was despair and that he killed himself because he supposedly [b]thought[/b] he committed a sin that God could not forgive, is not only presumptuous of her, but very judgmental. Only GOD knows and understands the mentality of the suicidal.
For one thing, Judas was one of the 12 disciples and if anyone knew that Jesus forgives, it would be him! Who can say that he was not so grieved and distraught at what he did to his Lord, that he lost his mind and could not even think straight, so he hanged himself in despair! There could be other reasons, but the Bible does not list them and it is terribly judgmental to assume we know where Judas ended up. Jesus said in His Word that any who asks for forgiveness with a contrite heart, shall be saved. If anyone had a contrite heart, it shows in Judas, or he would NOT have hung himself. Do we know what Judas said to himself or to the Lord, [u]before[/u] he hanged himself? Absolutely not.
We already know that Judas accepted Jesus as his Savior and that's why he was one of Jesus's chosen disciples. Do you think just because he killed himself, that nullified his salvation? I don't believe so, because when a person is saved, they receive the Seal of God in their heart, which is the Holy Spirit of [b]promise[/b] and God never breaks a promise! God doesn't go back on His promise, when we make mistakes and snatch His Spirit [b]back[/b] from the believer! He's not a liar, He keeps His promise to [b]save[/b] us, as we invite him into our hearts and lives to be our Savior.
The concepts of mortal and venial sin are essentially Roman Catholic. The concepts of mortal and venial sin, is problematic, at best: these concepts present an [b]unbiblical picture of how God views sin[/b]. The fact is, that [b]all[/b] of us sin (Romans 3:23) and that the just compensation for sin, is eternal death (Romans 6:23). Over and against the concepts of mortal and venial sin, the Bible does [b]not[/b] state that some sins are worthy of eternal death, whereas others are not! [b]All sins are mortal sins[/b] in that even one sin makes the offender worthy of eternal separation from God. But the good news is, that once one invites Jesus into their heart and life as Savior, then [b]SIN[/b] has no more pull nor condemnation over us!!
[b][c=BF0000]"Therefore, there is now NO CONDEMNATION for those who are in Christ Jesus, becausethrough Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death." Romans 8:1-4[/c][/b]
While God does not want us to harm or kill ourselves, killing yourself is most grievable, because it cuts short the gift of life that God gave us, but even more, prevents us from the opportunity to ever change our minds and accept Jesus as our Savior, later on, if we so choose....thus, allows our sins to keep us separated from God forever.
Based on the above biblical truths, the concepts of mortal and venial sin are not biblical, and should be rejected. In Christ’s death, burial and resurrection, the problem of our sin is completely taken care of, and we need look no further than that amazing demonstration of God’s love for us. Our forgiveness and right standing with God is [b]not dependent upon us[/b], [b]our failings, or our faithfulness.[/b] They are solely dependent on the promises of God to save us and keep us. The true believer is to fix his eyes on Jesus and live in light of all that He accomplished on our behalf. God’s love and grace are truly amazing! May we live in light of the life we have in Christ! Through the power of the Holy Spirit, may we be victorious over all sin, whether “mortal,” “venial,” intentional, or unintentional.
1. We're not supposed to rely on Sister Mary Joseph.... it's what God says that counts. If you're talking about Jesus's mother, Mary, she can't say anything, she's dead.
2. You think there's nobody in this world who hasn't asked God to forgive them before they killed themselves? Come on.
[quote] 2. Sister Mary Joseph had an interesting angle on this one, her belief that Judas' 'mortal sin was despair. He killed himself because he thought he committed a sin that God could not forgive.
[/quote]
1. Since when, is Sister Mary Joseph a mind reader? For her to suggest that judas' "mortal sin" was despair and that he killed himself because he supposedly [b]thought[/b] he committed a sin that God could not forgive, is not only presumptuous of her, but very judgmental. Only GOD knows and understands the mentality of the suicidal.
For one thing, Judas was one of the 12 disciples and if anyone knew that Jesus forgives, it would be him! Who can say that he was not so grieved and distraught at what he did to his Lord, that he lost his mind and could not even think straight, so he hanged himself in despair! There could be other reasons, but the Bible does not list them and it is terribly judgmental to assume we know where Judas ended up. Jesus said in His Word that any who asks for forgiveness with a contrite heart, shall be saved. If anyone had a contrite heart, it shows in Judas, or he would NOT have hung himself. Do we know what Judas said to himself or to the Lord, [u]before[/u] he hanged himself? Absolutely not.
We already know that Judas accepted Jesus as his Savior and that's why he was one of Jesus's chosen disciples. Do you think just because he killed himself, that nullified his salvation? I don't believe so, because when a person is saved, they receive the Seal of God in their heart, which is the Holy Spirit of [b]promise[/b] and God never breaks a promise! God doesn't go back on His promise, when we make mistakes and snatch His Spirit [b]back[/b] from the believer! He's not a liar, He keeps His promise to [b]save[/b] us, as we invite him into our hearts and lives to be our Savior.
The concepts of mortal and venial sin are essentially Roman Catholic. The concepts of mortal and venial sin, is problematic, at best: these concepts present an [b]unbiblical picture of how God views sin[/b]. The fact is, that [b]all[/b] of us sin (Romans 3:23) and that the just compensation for sin, is eternal death (Romans 6:23). Over and against the concepts of mortal and venial sin, the Bible does [b]not[/b] state that some sins are worthy of eternal death, whereas others are not! [b]All sins are mortal sins[/b] in that even one sin makes the offender worthy of eternal separation from God. But the good news is, that once one invites Jesus into their heart and life as Savior, then [b]SIN[/b] has no more pull nor condemnation over us!!
[b][c=BF0000]"Therefore, there is now NO CONDEMNATION for those who are in Christ Jesus, becausethrough Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death." Romans 8:1-4[/c][/b]
While God does not want us to harm or kill ourselves, killing yourself is most grievable, because it cuts short the gift of life that God gave us, but even more, prevents us from the opportunity to ever change our minds and accept Jesus as our Savior, later on, if we so choose....thus, allows our sins to keep us separated from God forever.
Based on the above biblical truths, the concepts of mortal and venial sin are not biblical, and should be rejected. In Christ’s death, burial and resurrection, the problem of our sin is completely taken care of, and we need look no further than that amazing demonstration of God’s love for us. Our forgiveness and right standing with God is [b]not dependent upon us[/b], [b]our failings, or our faithfulness.[/b] They are solely dependent on the promises of God to save us and keep us. The true believer is to fix his eyes on Jesus and live in light of all that He accomplished on our behalf. God’s love and grace are truly amazing! May we live in light of the life we have in Christ! Through the power of the Holy Spirit, may we be victorious over all sin, whether “mortal,” “venial,” intentional, or unintentional.