@Adstar I did not say you were forced into any particular religion or any of its denomintions; but is clear is thay you regrard your version of Christianity as the only valid verion of the only valid religion.

Your sneer at Catholiscism shows your deep sectarianism. Of course the Church of Rome is Christian - so are the Orthodox, Anglican, Methodist, Presbyterin, Baptist, ones. I don't happen to agree with their ideas necessarily, indeed I think some are far too dictatorial; but I do not and will not say which of any of them is the only legitimately "Christian" one; because they all are in their own ways. If any can realistically claim that, it is probably the Coptic Church.

You may not mean that but that is how it comes over.


Yes, the Roman Catholics have a dreadful history of suppressing heresy, women and children, but so do the Protestant sects after Henry VIII's Dissolution and establishment of the Church of England, which triggered a long period of violence between both sides. In that, the C of E proved itself just as ruthless against the Catholics, as the Catholics had been against those it saw as their enemies.

Now of course, they are friends even though they acknowledge still having important differences, over matter that are really far more social than purely Biblical matters, such as ordaining women. They still worship the same Jesus and God, although the Protestants do not fetishise Mary as Catholics tend to do. They respect her, of course.

Nor do the Protestant denominations ever use Latin liturgy as the Catholics still sometimes do - though even the non-religious can still enjoy the glorious Latin liturgical music from the Mediaeval - Rennaisance RC tradition.


Your comment about me being "brainwashed" is utter twaddle, even rude.

I see, I read, I listen, I try to learn, try to sort wheat from chaff - and I make my own mind up.

I do not know the situation in your country but in mine there is a lot of mutual respect between members of the different faiths, even to the extent of their clerics talking to each other and occasionally worshipping together on special occasions. There were representatives from non-Christians faiths at King Charles III's Coronation - which is a Church of England, Christian service.

Yes, there are "devout" Muslims who take the Q'ran to mean Jews and Christians are their enemies - some of the most "devout" even despise Islamic sects not their own, as we saw with ISIS destroying mosques of the "wrong" sect.

I do not if this apparent bigotry in the Q'ran had historical origins - if the Prophet Mohammed saw plenty of religious strife already in his time and knew throwing yet another faith into the mix would not be easy. Yet I recall reading a short biography of the man - a merchant by profession - that revealed he was ecumenical and did enjoy discussing theology with Jews and Christians.


There are also plenty of devout Muslims who agree to differ and live in peace with Jews and Christians.

Just as there are, and should be, devout Christians who agree to differ and live in peace with Jews and Muslims.... Hindhus, Sikhs, pagans, agnostics, atheists. Even with fellow-Christians of different denominations.

@Adstar My critiscism was of saying you don't care what others think of your beliefs, but you admitting wanting to say their are "wrong" and to put them right.

You can and must accept that neither you nor they - or I - "wrong" or "right" in any sense of fact, as if discussing an abstruse area of Physics, but instead hold differing opinions on the nature of respective religious ideology.

Calling me "brainwashed" is both wrong and cheap, especially when it is your response to a statement that not religious opinion with which yioiu disagree, but a simple fact you do not like.

Besides, who is brainwashing whom, how, and why?

I did not declare Mohammed was a prophet. Muslims themselves accord him that title, with a capital 'P' in writing, and often with the definite article. In speech they often say, "The Prophet Mohammed, Peace be upon him, .... "

What would be very wrong and insulting would be according him divine properties. Only Allah has those. For the same reason, many Muslims do respect Jesus as a prophet and preacher, but as an ordinary man, not a corporeal divinity which would compromise, in their view, God's essential uniqueness and mystery.

There are very many Muslims, Jews, Hindhus, Sikhs, Christian and non-religious living in Britain and although some communities do, in my view, keep themselves a bit too much to themselves, on the whole they at least tolerate each other. Many have to work, or study, together. Some even form friendships across their theological divide. That was even happening to a limited extent in Israel and Palestine until Hamas sparked the present war - which is as at least as much territorial as religious or cultural.

For the record I am no more Muslim or Jewish than you are, and I am certainly not going to convert to either - any more than I would join the JWs or Mormons - but at least I try to see the good as well as bad in other people whatever god they or may not worship. I have known a very few Jews, one or two Muslims, two of my friends are Anglican priests (or were, I think now retired). I hold nothing against them.


So does your dismissive -


- to attack my example of different faiths reaching out to, tolerating, understanding each other, mean you find it totally wrong they should? If so then please at least explain rather than just quote some obscure but handy line from the Bible as if that somehow makes it all clear.

Whatever "spiritual harlotry" was meant to mean, some 2000 years ago, by its unknown(?) author (I understand some theologians suggest John the Baptist), its title and text suggest a bad dream, possibly shamanistic. Or perhaps it attacked fundamentalists of his own place and time. I would certainly not give Revelations the credit I might to the New Testament's main gospels, even though I doubt the veracity of most of the story. Anyone can invent a far-future "prophecy" provided it is carefully opaque, says nothing of what really to expect, where and when.

All you do there is show that you have no respect for any faith and sect other than your own, even if worshipping the same ancient-Hebrew deity.

@Guitarman123 Stalin was a Communist. Sorry if that makes you uncomfortable.

@BritishFailedAesthetic and franco was a catholic. So by your logic thats being a Catholic makes you an authoritarian nationalist.

@BritishFailedAesthetic and that you think the spanish inquisition was a good thing

@faery And that was accurate,

@RachelLia2003 get to listen to ac dc and black sabbath. Perfect

@Guitarman123 i prefer taylor swift