Those chanting "christ is king" would hate jesus if he was alive today

@Adstar its impossible for him to have been white considering where he came from.

@Adstar that picture above is far more likely an accurate representation

@Guitarman123 I said in my first reply that Jesus was not white... So of course he never looked like the European one depicted... Jesus would have had the hair of the brown guy but His skin color would have been lighter..

Over time with the effects of slavery that lasted a lot longer in the middle east,, The color of middle eastern people has tended to get darker over the last 2000 years.. Even in current day Middle east Syrians and Kurds who are closer to the genetic line of Jesus are fairer then the darker depiction in your examples..

@Adstar citizens of those countries vary in colour. Some are darker than others. Same even in spain

@Guitarman123 True.. Some whites are white. some whites are redish. some whites are creamy..

Some whites are brown..

@Adstar exactly. Im all for the historical figure of jesus christ but despise the western interpretation

@Guitarman123 Your supposed "'western version"" is not accurate.. There are many different versions in different denominations in the western world.. There are different factions even within many denominations..

And some things in your ""western list"" are actually correct..
Some of the different interpretations in your list are both wrong..
Some point to the teachings of Jesus for His followers.. But do not apply to The LORD Jesus Himself..

@Adstar they're christian athiests who completely follow the teachings of jesus but don't believe in god. Jesus would be dismissed as a woke commie in today's environment

@Guitarman123

Let me go through your competing lists::

White skinned vs Middle eastern Brown skin..

As i said Jesus was not white.. Jesus was middle eastern but He was not brown. He was more Olive skinned..

Christian vs Jewish

Jesus was the founder of Both religions but he was also above both religions because Jesus is God made manafest in the flesh.. Christianity is a progression of Judaism.. Christianity includes Judaism.. The Old testament Torah is in the Christian bible..

Justice through retrabution vs Justice through restoration..

Jesus message was Eternal salvation through the Atonement of Jesus.. Justice through retrabution is a Torah based concept not Christian .. And justice through restoration??? What does that even mean?? restoration of what??

Died for your sins vs Killed by church abd state..

Yes Jesus died to pay the penalty for my sins thats biblical and true.. It would be more correct to say killed by Sinagog and the roman state.. The ""Church"" did not exist during the times of Jesus..

Sends sinners to hell vs Friend of sinners and outcasts..

Both are true.. Jesus is the final judge who will judge all people and yes he will be sending people to hell.. And Jesus was and still is a loving friend to Sinners and Outcasts.. But in the end those sinners and outcasts must befriend Jesus by beliving Him and trusting in His Atonement.. One way love never makes a relationship.. Without a relationship with Jesus those people are damned no matter how much Jesus loves them..

Silent in the face of oppresion vs Liberates the oppresed..

Both are true.. He was like a silent lamb when he was accused and He offeres eternal life liberated from all orpession..

Condemns sinners vs quitiques religous people..

Jesus condemns sin and critiqued religious people.. He created the way for Sinners to avoid condemnation.. But in the end He will condemn those who do not embrace the way He made for them to be saved..

Endorces Church and state vs Subverts empire

Both are wrong.. Jesus said His kingdom was not of this world.. But never preached rebelion against the roman empire..

A King vs homeless man and Child refuge..

Jesus is the King of Kings and he experienced being a Child refuge.. techniqly speaking Jesus had access to the home of Joseph and Mary during his time on earth.. But he chose to adopt a wandering life in Israel as part of his mission to give the Gospel..

Upholds traditional family unit vs had half siblings..

Both are True..

Endorces Holy War vs Non violent..

Jesus during his time on earth never called for or endorsed holy war.. So he was mostly non violent during his time on earth.. He did however drive the money exchangers out of the temple by using a whip.. And when jesus returns He will destroy the Army of the beast on the plaines of Megeddo.. and army of 200 million will be eliminated by Jesus on the day of His return..

So while Jesus ordered his followers not to engage in war, He being the LORD can and will engage in just wrath when the time comes..

@Guitarman123
Well they would have a false view of Jesus.. Jesus was not woke and He definitely was not a commie.. And as for ""Atheist Christians""".. NOPE.. No one ever succeeds in completely following the teachings of Jesus.. That's why we need the Atonement of the LORD Jesus.. Because everyone Fails to live up to the standards of Jesus..

@Adstar didn't jesus associate himself with sinners and outcasts? Or say "And they sold their possessions and goods and distributed them to all, as any had need "(Acts 2:45)

@Adstar or this

It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God (Mark 10:24; see also Matthew 19:24 and Luke 18:25)

@Guitarman123 Go, sell what you have,” he tells the rich man who asks for the secret of eternal life (Mark 10:21; Matthew 19:21;

@Guitarman123
Yes Jesus spentt a lot of time with people who where considered serious sinners by others ( In truth all people on earth where and are sinners ) Jesus did so because His missionwas to Save Sinners from the eternal judgement they faced because of their sins.. Jesus never associated with sinners to promote or justify their sins..

And yes Jesus encouraged people to give their material wealth to their brothers and sisters in Christ.. But thats not communism because THEY Willingly GAVE of their wealth.. It was not confiscated by the Government by force.. Charity is not communism. Charity is something you willingly give to a person in need out of love for the other.. communisim is just thieft carried out by a thug backed by the State..


Yes Jesus said that.. But note He did not say it was Impossible for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of heaven.. Jesus said with God nothing is impossible.. Jesus also said the Love of Money is the source of evil.. He understood when people love their money over other people they will not love other people and their wealth ends up being the stumbling stone that causes them to fall..


Yep because the young rich man asked Jesus what good thing He could do to inherit the kingdom of Heaven.. Jesus had to break his belief that it was by doing good works that one justifys their own entery into heaven. Jesus knew the young rich mans fault.. The young man loved his money and Jesus knew he would not sell all he had and give it all to the poor.. But if you read the actual scriptures Jesus also added after he said sell all you have,, Then come follow Me.. pointing to the actual way a man can be saved. By being a follower of the LORD Jesus.. have read of the verses in context..

(Luke 18:22-25) "Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. {23} And when he heard this, he was very sorrowful: for he was very rich. {24} And when Jesus saw that he was very sorrowful, he said, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God! {25} For it is easier for a camel to go through a needle’s eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God."

@Adstar communism is abolition of private property and replacing it with common ownership of the means of production in a classless and stateless society. Calling communism backed by the state is as meaningless as the concept of jesus being white and blonde. If jesus existed today hed be friends with todays social outcasts which is mostly transgender people. He was friends with thieves, lepers and prostitutes. Polar opposite of how they are treated by so called "Christians" of today who claim to follow the teachings of jesus while not treating people like they would like to be treated

Right and Wrong.. Yes it abolishes people personally owning things.. But it replaces that with state ownership.. thats why John Lennon sang the lyrics ""Imagine no possessions"" in his Imagine communist promoting song..

Now if a person does not have any personal possessions then they cannot give anything to another person as charity,, can they. A 20 dollar bill must first be yours before you give it to the beggar on the street.. If you own nothing you cannot share anything with another because you have to first own something to give it away or share it.. Communism ends Charity..

communism has always been backed by state power.. Communism needs state power to exist.. Humans don't give up their property without the threat of violence.. remember what happened to the Private Ukrainian farmers when starlin decided to nationalize their farms.. Stalin confiscated their food until he and his NKVD thugs has starved the farmers into submission or death..


Yes He would be and still is their Friend.. he loves them.. But he does not love their SIN.. I want transgenders to be saved but i will never seek to justify their transgenderism.. Just as Jesus loves murderers and wants to save them.. I want murderers to be saved but i will never try to justify their acts of murder... This is a basic Christian teaching.. Love the sinner Hate the sin.. It's something that so so so many people just cannot comprehend.. Especially the wokist extremists.. They think hating the sin = hating the sinner.. They cannot understand how you can hate the sin while at the same time loving the sinner.. So in their minds Christians hate the LGBTQ community.. NO.. I want each and every LGBTQ person to be with me in Gods eternal perfect Paradise..

And yeah some Christians are not Christians..

But oddly enough Some of the most hard core street preachers are considered by the Woke as the greatest haters of the LGBTQ community when all they are doing is informing them of their Sin.. Thus revealing to them their NEED for the Atonement of the LORD Jesus.. Because they want the LGBTQ people to end up being forgiven and SAVED from the eternal lake of fire..

Once again many non Christian cannot get their minds around the concept of loving the sinners but hating sin... So they conclude that the Christian street preacher MUST hate both the Sinner ans their sins..

I'm off to bed.. It is past midnight here in Australia.. cya tommorow God willing..

@Adstar communism and state are an oxymoron. Thats like saying anarchism and capitalism need each other to exist. Communism workers owned co operatives in a stateless society

@Adstar Just one point;

Jesus did not "found" any religions. Judaism was already some 2 to 3 millennia old by his time; established by the likes of Moses and Abraham but probably drawing on Zoroastrianism and other contemporary, older faiths.

He was Jewish, as were his disciples; and his teachings would likely have remained a Jewish sect had the Roman Empire not converted to Christianity, which was established some 3 centuries after his death.

Nor of course was he any sort of political figure, although the Jewish temple elders saw him as a threat to their power. The Romans did not usually oppress local religions in their Empire, as long as these were not seen as a threat - as when they later persecuted the early Christians.

@ArishMell Jesus as the Jewish Messiah brought Judaism to it's conclusion.. A conclusion that most Jews of his time rejected and so it went world wide and now is known as Christianity..

And Jesus being God made manifest in the flesh did found the Jewish Religion.. And there are no older faiths then the one established by God in the days of Adam and Eve..

By the time the Roman empire officially switched over to Christianity the Empire was already predominantly Christian.. Constantine knew how big the Christian community was and he knew that gaining their support would give him the power he needed to take the throne to become the roman emperor..

@Adstar Judaism has not concluded, unless you mean it has not developed since then. It does have its sects, including the Orthodox version, but I don't know when these appeared.

I think I see what you mean by your second paragraph, in that the Hebrews considered their religion and its deity being the only one (a sort of "Year 0" policy mixed with knowing little or nothing about the rest of the world); but it is people who devise religions based around their idea of their deity or deities.

Whatever divine attributes Jesus may or may not have had, he did not found any religion; nor did his immediate followers. Christianity post-dated him, and them, by some three centuries.

@ArishMell
Judaism needed the Temple in Jerusalem to be functioning for many of the requirements of the Torah based Jewish religion.. Once the Temple was destroyed in 70AD/CE Temple based Judaism ended.. It was replaced by a modified religion based on the teachings of the ""sages""..


Well i totally disagree with you.. As long as there where people who believed Jesus and trusted in His atonement then Jesus founded that religion.. And that religion today is called Christianity and there have been believers in Jesus since the days when Jesus walked the earth..

@Adstar Please don't alter what I said.

I know perfectly well people believe in Jesus - I am from a light Anglican background, of my friends is a priest (I even attended her ordination as deacon).

I said he did not found any religion! He was born long after the priest-kings and prophets like Moses, Abraham etc. devised what became Judaism, according to their own writings.

Jesus' later followers turned his teachings into a new faith in his name.

@ArishMell I never altered what you said.. I told you that the first religion was founded in the garden of Eden and the founder was God.. And Jesus is God made manafest in the flesh..

And i could not care less for the false religion you belong to.. The Bible states that woman should be silent in church and you talk about a religion that makes a woman a priest.. Something the Bible NEVER allowed..

Jesus followers who wrote the New testament where guided by the Holy Spirit who is God.. They did not found their own religion..

@Adstar The ancient Hebrew religion that became Judaism, and eventually also led to Christianity and Islam, was NOT the "first".

Parts of the Old Testament preach against what it thinks wrong beliefs, and those must have been ones already existing in that one small corner of the Earth. Among the Hebrew predecessors was probably Zoroastrianism, much older than Judaism, one a major Persian faith and still existing and indeed even respected by the Iranian constitution, although it is very much a minor faith now.

The early Hebrews were surrounded by the Romans, Greeks and Egyptians with their own ideas. They had no idea about the two American continents; and any knowledge they may have had of European and Asian lands and beliefs would have been sketchy accounts by traders.

(This was in the Late Bronze age and there was already some international trade, though the vast majority of people never went far from home and knew little of other peoples.)

Deities do not invent religions.

People do that. They believe in gods or goddesses, and it is people who create their own ideas about what those mystical being might be and how to honour them, then say that's what the deities want.

People the world over have been religious in one way or another since before recorded time but that does mean we cannot know what they actually believed, obviously. That they did have some sort of spiritial belief is circumstantial then, but is clear by the remnants of the physical funerary efforts they made: grave-goods, particular ways to inter bodies, tombs, and so on.

You do not care about what religion I follow. I don't follow any because I have no need.

You are religious, I respect that even though you seem not to respect others' beliefs; but yours is only your interpretation of one of many religions and denominations.

Each faith is "true" only as a belief to its own adherents, and the multiplicity of faiths world-wide and throughout history shows none can claim any monopoly; even if the opponents seem plainly silly. Or worse - seem an "enemy" to be crushed.

Gods are above needing being "defended" to the extent of mere mortals oppressing and even killing each other for imagined "religious" reasons.


Oh - and by the way, if I were to be religious I would be an Anglican, but irrespective of that, I am NOT a mysoginist.

I do know there are still stick-in-the-mud Christian congregations, especially in Africa, terrified of women being priests so it is difficult and delicate for the Church. Nevertheless it is hard to imagine any genuine reason against ordaining women, and I doubt any really exists. Anyone can make any convenient Bible passage serve his own purpose.

I would say it is long overdue that there are now women priests, and I would pray God guides the Roman Catholic denomination to finding that really, women can be priests - even bishops, cardinals... Pope?

Ironically for the chauvinists, Jesus liked and respected women; and one story even describes him saving a woman from being murdered by a lynch-mob of hypocritical men. In the end of course it was a lynch-mob of hypocritical men who had him murdered, and just as foully.


I respect women, and uphold their right as human beings to have their say, not only at home and work but also in church - and there, whether just as congregants, as deacons or as Archbishops.

This is 2025 AD not 1725 AD, let alone 2025 BCE. (Or given that the OT and Torah do not count years, whenever it was that a few unknown tribal elders told we men to oppress women and blame it on the Will of God).

Just because Moses' society was run by male chauvinists does not make it right, does not mean we must as well. Let alone try to excuse it by hiding behind those priest-king's interpretation of their deity; though to be fair to them their attitudes probably pre-date their own society and its religion. Just because as mere males we cannot admit it is we - not God - we men who think women are somehow inferior; are somehow only domestic appliances with reproductive organs.

That chauvinism with its feeble "religious" excuse is on the road to The Handmaid's Tale, or worse, in the real world not a novel, the Taliban.

@ArishMell
I think we are having trouble here with definitions... So i will try a different way of explaining this,,

The Religion of the God of Abraham No matter what the different names human beings have called it over the thousands of years it has been revelaed is the oldest religion on earth...

The God of Abraham's religion was one that was slowly revealed over thousands of years and in fact has not been complete in it's revelation untill the day of Judgement..

So this religion of Abraham had it's initial settings within the garden of Eden
It was added to in the times before Noah..
It was added to during the times of Noah..
It was added to during the times of the tower of Babel..
It was added to during the times of Abraham..
It was added to during the times of Israel the person..
It was added to during the times of Moses..
Now the above 7 stages are not 7 Different religions.. They are the religion of the God of Abraham being revealed over a time period of multiple generations... These stages of the religion of Abraham continued to be added to till the times of Paul and John's book of Revelation.. So all up i could probably add another 7 stages to the 7 stages i have already mentioned above.. So the religion of the God of Abraham existed in it's early forms that functioned for their times but where not the completed fulfillment of the revelation of the God of Abraham..

So the people who believe Torah based Judaism as a different religion then Bible based Christianity are both Correct and Wrong at the same time.. They are different because Christianity is a later stage revelation of the God of Abraham.. They are the same because Christianity is the most up to date revelation of the God of Abraham..

So instead of seeing all these stagesa as different religions with different names.. You can see them as being the Religion of the God of Abraham Stage 1, Stage 2 , Stage 3 or Stage 14..


Reading through your post i feel the need to respond to the following..


It has NOTHING to do with our love or hatered towards woman..

It has everything to do with our TRUSTING ( FAITH ) in the message of the LORD our GOD..

We take the stance because that is what God revealed in the Bible to be His will for the church..

Personaly i could not care less if a woman became a pastor or bishop.. It's not MY STANDARD that woman should not be in Authority over a man.. It is not in my personal standards that woman should be silent in church.. I stand on those teachings because they are from God and i trust in Gods word on the matter..

Having Faith in God is an essential part of being a Christian.. It has nothing to do with who is and who is not capable of fulfilling the roles, i am sure there are woman out there who can do the jobs quite adequitly.. But it is not the will of GOD.. Therefore i will stand against woman becoming pastors and bishops..