Evil Bible

@originnone I think you're ignoring the part where the ethnic group known as the Hebrews were told by the creator of the universe that they were his chosen people, and that they were to ethnically cleanse the rest of the Middle East.

@LordShadowfire I'm not ignoring it. It's what they believed. That may be a bit maladjusted but racist isn't the appropriate term.

@originnone what do you call it when an entire people are exterminated

and race as we know it now was much cloudier issue then less defined..

@Dshhh Dude, everybody was doing that in those days....and they all had their own gods...most of them were stuff like statues of cats and crap like that. Yeah, by our standards of 2023, it was racist and we'd never stand for it. You can't judge people 3000 years ago by standards of today....

@originnone I'm sorry. Are you saying morality changes over the centuries? That there was a time when genocide and murder weren't considered wrong? Please, do us all the favor of expanding upon that.

@originnone yes many ( not alol) people WER lving and killng like that.. but not all of them
many things that werre once Normal, we know to be morally wrong now
Like slavery, and teh chattel nature of women

@LordShadowfire I won't say I'm doing you a favor, but it's the same as trying to judge people a thousand years ago for owning slaves....a practice we deplore today but was standard at one time. This is pretty basic stuff. Some people are doing the same thing now. How horrible was it of Barrack Obama to not support gay marriage? ((Yes, I know he changed his tune later)).

@Dshhh You are absolutely correct. We have to be careful we don't fall into the same traps. I would have never believed the US would sanction water boarding, but that wasn't that long ago....

@originnone And I disagree. Racism, slavery, and genocide have always been wrong, and I don't give a fuck how long ago it was. It was wrong then, it's wrong now, and it always will be wrong.

That's not to say that I judge Jewish people today by the type of people who supported that bullshit back in the day. But I certainly have no respect for Moses and his people as they ethnically cleansed their way across the countryside.

@originnone [quote]Dude, everybody was doing that in those days....and they all had their own gods...most of them were stuff like statues of cats and crap like that. Yeah, by our standards of 2023, it was racist and we'd never stand for it. You can't judge people 3000 years ago by standards of today....[/quote]

There was and is only one race. Racism is a modern day nonsensical social construct. They all came from the same place, the same people, and any people could become a Jew under the same protection of a born Jew. So, saying they were racist because they were killing other people is like saying the same for any other "race" or country until even today.

Racism is a fabricated division.

@BibleData I disagree that it's a modern construct, but it is definitely a construct that makes no sense.

@LordShadowfire So, it's never occurred to you that saying a specific race is racist is racist? Race. Like running in a circle to see who is the fastest. The best. Term originated in the 16th century. Has changed to mean different things - different groups, different nationalities, different physical characteristics - xenophobia is a remarkable tool to keep idiots at each other's throats. Why fight them when all you need to do is divide and conquer? Black people have enslaved black people and white people. More black people have enslaved white people. The word slave comes from the Slavic people who were enslaved by dark skinned people far more than black people but in occidental culture the black people are thought of as being the primary victim of slavery. Everyone is doing it and always have. Struggling for that seemingly great cause or any other is always what makes it worse and that isn't by accident.

Stupid people games.

@BibleData [quote]So, it's never occurred to you that saying a specific race is racist is racist?[/quote]
Where the fuck do you get that? Of course it's racist.

As to the rest of your crap, I'll address it another time.

@originnone Have you ever red the fairytale yourself? Which ethnic group is the apple of God's eye? The Jesus character is the king of which ethni group? The golden cube is called "New Jerusalem," which should indicate to even an _____ that all other groups will be excluded because each of the twelve gates are dedicated to a specific tribe of the twelve tribes of the house of Israel. There is no gate for Gentiles. And, in Matthew 19:28 (ERV) the Jesus character said ="28 Jesus said to them, “When the time of the new world comes, the Son of Man will sit on his great and glorious throne. And I can promise that you who followed me will sit on twelve thrones, and you will judge the twelve tribes of Israel."

That's just a tidbit of the racist crap. More to follow.

@originnone So, why do you believe their silly ass ethnocentric religious fairytales?

@LordShadowfire Ethnic-cleansing murder is the first of the Ten Commandments (Exodus 34:11-16). That definitely should be considered evil behavior by all rational people.

@BibleData Remember what it says in Isaiah 14:1-2 (ERV) =
"14 The Lord will again show his love to Jacob. He will again choose the people of Israel. He will give them their land. Then the non-Israelites[a] will join the Israelites, and both will become one family—Jacob’s family. 2 Those nations will bring the Israelites back to their land. The men and women from the other nations will become slaves to Israel. In the past, those people forced the Israelites to become their slaves. But in the future the Israelites will defeat those nations, and Israel will then rule over them in the Lord’s land."

And don't forget the racist supremacy screed in 2 Esdras 6:55-59 (CEB) =
55 “I have said all these things before you, Lord, because you have said that you created the oldest age[a] for our sake. 56 You have said that the other nations born of Adam are nothing, that they are like spit, and you have compared their abundance to a drop from a pitcher. 57 But look now, Lord! These nations that are valued as nothing rule over us and devour us, 58 while we, your people, whom you have called your oldest offspring, your one and only child, those who are zealous for you, your dearest ones, are handed over to them. 59 If the world was created for our sake, why don’t we possess our world as an inheritance? How long will this situation last?”

Then there's the racist tripe from the Jewsih Babylonian Talmud which says that each Jew will get 2,800 slaves in the afterlife.

Enjoy your eternity as a slave.

Even the most racist White American slaver never did think that Black people would be slaves for eternity. But some did think that segregation would last forever.

@originnone [quote]You can't judge people 3000 years ago by standards of today....[/quote]

You only say this because you view history from the point of the white colonialist perspective. The enslaved people of the past wouldn't agree with you.
Owning slaves wasn't even a standard it was a priviledge of the wealthy and it's normalisation was planned and directed by wealthy institutions such as the catholic Church, capitalists or monarchies who argued against the humanity of different ethnicities and created the civilization/savages distinction. They dehumanized them in the public eye so they could exploit them for labor power.

The Bible is an evil book, no wonder most christians haven't even read the whole thing.

@Gloomy [quote]You only say this because you view history from the point of the white colonialist perspective.[/quote]

I don't care in the slightest about those people, which is why I don't see that as being unusual in any meaningful way.

[quote]The enslaved people of the past wouldn't agree with you.[/quote]

All people were enslaved. The word slave comes from Slavic, who were white people, held as slaves by non-white peoples. Black people, even in America, were slaveholders of other black people. This wasn't at all unusual, even in Africa. India, China - Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Hindu, Taoist, Atheist, etc. Red, yellow, white, black, and brown skinned people.

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[quote]The Bible is an evil book, no wonder most christians haven't even read the whole thing.[/quote]

Evil is a subjective term. So is your poorly constructed mythological virtue signaling.

Christians haven't read the Bible because, like everyone else, they are stupid and lazy. These are human weaknesses not by any means exclusive to Christians or the religious.

@BibleData [quote]All people were enslaved.[/quote]

Yes and historically from their perspective slavery wasn't deemed acceptable that’s why the argument we cannot judge people from the past who enslaved people doesn't really work.

[quote]Evil is a subjective term. So is your poorly constructed mythological virtue signaling.[/quote]

Then let me rephrase it... the Bible is seen as evil when examining it through any moral framework that centers around human well being and flourishing.

[quote]There was and is only one race. Racism is a modern day nonsensical social construct.[/quote]

You act like such a pseudo intellectual on here. This argument right here is a perfect example.
It's s construct for sure but so are all concepts so what even is your point. Racialised discourses, biases and hatred exists. The term is usually used in the context of power hierarchies and hateful rhetoric and actions against a certain "race" (because even the concept of race is a concept). So calling the genocide of jewish people as a racially motivated crime would be nonsensical?

@BibleData [quote]virtue signaling[/quote]

Using this expression is a signal of its own.
Like that nobody would believe or act in any way genuinely and that it's just that, posing or virtue signaling, implying that everybody else who claims they care about x, y or z is lying. Which is always telling.
Also people use the phrase to accuse someone else of projecting moral superiority which can only mean you felt morally inferior to me.

@Gloomy well i hope you take this self standard when critiquing the overt racism of a certain hero of yours? (Thread apologies as its not the subject at hand but important to point out hypocrisy, double standards.....if thats what it is)

@gol979 Which "hero" are you refering to?

@Gloomy its not for this thread. I will catch you on another one....this is about the bible

@gol979 but then you take away the chance to defend myself against an accusation that lacks context