The love of God

@DalisMoustache The words of Corvus Blackthorne, circa October 2023:

No being who can create a place of eternal torment for his creations can be reasonably called good.

@DalisMoustache Aren't you more intelligent than a 7th century Syrian?

@Diotrephes The actual [i]meaning[/i] and significance of any words have nothing to do with time. Surely you don't think people are more intelligent simply because they have come later in time?

@DalisMoustache St Isaac the Syrian, 7th century, a beloved figure of the Eastern Orthodox Church, a Universalist, was merely spewing BS that would support his con game. He had zero proof for his statement.

@DalisMoustache Are you saying we are only as intelligent as the first people?

@Entwistle What first people? We are the only people.

@Diotrephes He was seeing into the fundamental nature of the Reality in which we live and move and have our being.

@Entwistle I would say rather, that we ALL begin at scratch in terms of finding [i]significance[/i] and [i]meaning[/i] in our lives.

@sree251 The first people to evolve.

@Entwistle You said: "The first people to evolve."

My father came before me, and before him came my grandfather. We are all people coming one after another like the cycle of seasons. All winters are winters. There are no first winters.

Am I more intelligent than my grandfather who had never used the GPS on a cellphone to get around? He never had to. He always managed to get around without the GPS. If I need more tools to live a complicated life, then he is more intelligent.

@sree251 It's undoubtedly true that modern people (in general) are more intelligent than the first men who walked the earth.

@Entwistle Don't confuse knowledge with intelligence. If modern people are more intelligent, there would be no more wars. We are a greater threat to each other than ever before.

@sree251 I'm not confusing the two at all. Do you feel that the first man and woman to walk the earth would understand astrophysics of it were explained to them?

@Entwistle Astrophysics is the explanation of your perception of the phenomena in the sky above. Perception is reality. Your reality is yours alone. It is not my perception. There is no earth in a solar system as far as I am concerned.

@sree251 There is no earth in the solar system as far a you are concerned?
You are of course free to believe whatever you wish.

@Entwistle You said:"You are of course free to believe whatever you wish."

Correct. There are only beliefs: yours and mine.

@sree251 Can both be correct?

@Entwistle You said: "Can both be correct?"

Yes, depending on the situation. If you have a need to explain the things you see in the sky, you invent a relationship among those things including the nature of those things. This is the way we accumulate scientific beliefs (aka knowledge) of reality. And you identify this branch of beliefs as astrophysics. I dismiss this crap because I have no use for them anymore than an atheist has use for beliefs in biblical stuff.

@sree251 Do you deny the existence of stars?

@sree251 Ahh I see. You are much more intellectualy advanced than the rest of us. Cool.

@Entwistle You said: "Ahh I see. You are much more intellectualy advanced than the rest of us. Cool."

No, not more intellectually advanced. I am less intellectually advanced, my friend. I have been throwing out the garbage I learned in school. I have regressed to ground zero.

@sree251 if only there weren't all that pesky evidence...

@newjaninev2 Don't you get a little tired of arguing with creationist every day of your life? I'm not hating on you, i'm sure you're a very lovely lady. But goddamn, you're a woman in your 50s, go join some club for old ladies who grow plants or some shit.

@Diotrephes You said: "Do you deny the existence of stars?"

Twinkle twinkle little stars? I do wonder what they are. I do deny the garbage about them being light years away, dying and all that crap..

“You could give Aristotle a tutorial. And you could thrill him to the core of his being. Aristotle was an encyclopedic polymath, an all time intellect. Yet not only can you know more than him about the world. You also can have a deeper understanding of how everything works. Such is the privilege of living after Newton, Darwin, Einstein, Planck, Watson, Crick and their colleagues.

I'm not saying you're more intelligent than Aristotle, or wiser. For all I know, Aristotle's the cleverest person who ever lived. That's not the point. The point is only that science is cumulative, and we live later.”
― Richard Dawkins